when is the #1st show
01-07-2007, 11:49 AM
#21
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Show are very expensive to put on. Between the event runnings advertising ect. We as competators do need to help in the process. It's the other side of the coin.
When I was compeating in SQ with the Mini I went to every event that was posted here for 1 year. The reward wasn't the bling it was the friends. It was very expensive on my part too! 4 hour drive was my average 1 way 8 hour event gas food ect.Not to mention the repairs or upgraiding tweeking in between. Most every other weekend. Only trailered it twice and one of them was for finals. In the end I still have those friends an an increadable sounding system. How do you sell that on the newbe's?
It's not just for the retailers or compeatators to do this. The big clubs need to get involved in event's out side of the U.S. The main people like James or Ray put in a great deal of work with realy no reward.I know because I worked and learned a great deal from both of them. ( thanks guys ) The cost is great be it in the gear, instalation, tweeking, showing ect. I feel that at the moment all bear the cost at an similar ratio. I know that that statment will be another can of worms but so be it.
Any way my 2 cents worth.
When I was compeating in SQ with the Mini I went to every event that was posted here for 1 year. The reward wasn't the bling it was the friends. It was very expensive on my part too! 4 hour drive was my average 1 way 8 hour event gas food ect.Not to mention the repairs or upgraiding tweeking in between. Most every other weekend. Only trailered it twice and one of them was for finals. In the end I still have those friends an an increadable sounding system. How do you sell that on the newbe's?
It's not just for the retailers or compeatators to do this. The big clubs need to get involved in event's out side of the U.S. The main people like James or Ray put in a great deal of work with realy no reward.I know because I worked and learned a great deal from both of them. ( thanks guys ) The cost is great be it in the gear, instalation, tweeking, showing ect. I feel that at the moment all bear the cost at an similar ratio. I know that that statment will be another can of worms but so be it.
Any way my 2 cents worth.
01-07-2007, 01:19 PM
#22
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Originally Posted by mike bisson
I have to say that when I put on DB Drag shows I would send in the results to Wayne within a day of getting home and he usually posted them quite quickly -- there was a comprehensive site where you could see your overall score and event by event. I am not sure what USACI or IASCA has.
but SQ shows are my only concern here, and Iasca don't post results for the local shows unfortunately.
Also, I realize why I retired -- little or no pay,
Retired from what?
bitchy competitors (whose only interest was having you agree with them -- the less they knew, the more they seemed to argue). Don't get me wrong, guys like Lethal, Team Shadow, Danny, Freddy, Loud Brown Kicker Colt (who I argued with, but respected), Justin LaRouche, and a few others almost made me want to stay around but at the end of the day I much rather hang out with my Daughter or play Rugby on the weekend than drive for 2-6 hours, setup, put up with whinners and lose money in the process.
There are always someone bitching about something in the last two decades of shows that I been involve with...... All we could do is to do our best to rectify it by reasoning or solve the issues. atleast i didn't ignore it.
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01-07-2007, 02:55 PM
#23
Originally Posted by Lethal
This is not a poke at the GVA members here but I always here the same grumblings and bitching about not enough shows in the lower mainland but everytime I make the 9 hour trip from PG to Van I am always dissapointed on the turnout.
Most cars with sound systems don't listen to radio today so promoting on the radio makes no sense nowadays. Word of mouth and a fun show, that's all it comes down to.
Last edited by Miluni; 01-07-2007 at 02:57 PM.
01-07-2007, 05:38 PM
#24
[QUOTE=SweetnLow91SC]^ "Well, thats great!
but SQ shows are my only concern here, and Iasca don't post results for the local shows unfortunately. "
Joe, why would you care about the results? Do you actually compete anymore?
"Retired from what? "
SPONSORING / ORGANIZING / OFFICIATING SHOWS -- if I attend shows it is purely to support a good friend like Jeff, Pat or Dave.
"There are always someone bitching about something in the last two decades of shows that I been involve with...... All we could do is to do our best to rectify it by reasoning or solve the issues. atleast i didn't ignore it."
Joe, what are you trying to hint at? I am not involved in SQ competitions because I believe they are just a little too subjective for my taste. Personally, I rather have a good sounding system than a loud one -- but by the same token I rather listen to CD than MP3s or by thrown together system than taking out a second mortgage.
Joe, we both know one another, and I know you are a very knowledgable guy, as I believe I am too. Yes, I do know HI FI and SQ for car audio and I am still in the industry and enjoy much of it and the people in it and around it. I would like to see shows go on and be sucessful; however, it would be great if more people took on some of the load... By the way I personally helped out with organizing a couple of shows last season... did you help with any?
but SQ shows are my only concern here, and Iasca don't post results for the local shows unfortunately.
"Joe, why would you care about the results? Do you actually compete anymore?
"Retired from what? "
SPONSORING / ORGANIZING / OFFICIATING SHOWS -- if I attend shows it is purely to support a good friend like Jeff, Pat or Dave.
"There are always someone bitching about something in the last two decades of shows that I been involve with...... All we could do is to do our best to rectify it by reasoning or solve the issues. atleast i didn't ignore it.
"Joe, what are you trying to hint at? I am not involved in SQ competitions because I believe they are just a little too subjective for my taste. Personally, I rather have a good sounding system than a loud one -- but by the same token I rather listen to CD than MP3s or by thrown together system than taking out a second mortgage.
Joe, we both know one another, and I know you are a very knowledgable guy, as I believe I am too. Yes, I do know HI FI and SQ for car audio and I am still in the industry and enjoy much of it and the people in it and around it. I would like to see shows go on and be sucessful; however, it would be great if more people took on some of the load... By the way I personally helped out with organizing a couple of shows last season... did you help with any?
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01-07-2007, 06:45 PM
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Originally Posted by mike bisson
Joe, why would you care about the results? Do you actually compete anymore?
There were no SQ show worthy to compete in last year…. other then the last one held by TS.. Unfortunately it rained that day. The car was all dialled in ready to go.
I competed twice at Tim’s in 2005... It was one of the best and well organized show. I was very impressed how Tim pull it off. There were 11 SQ cars at the Sept 25 show.
if I attend shows it is purely to support a good friend like Jeff, Pat or Dave.
I do not involved in SQ competitions because I believe they are just a little too subjective for my taste.
I ike it would be great if more people took on some of the load... By the way I personally helped out with organizing a couple of shows last season... did you help with any?
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Last edited by SweetnLow91SC; 01-07-2007 at 07:46 PM.
01-08-2007, 02:31 AM
#26
[QUOTE=SweetnLow91SC]
unfortunately you can not measure art in the music by a meter..... unless music is unimportant to you and you rather watch the meter.
I think you missed my point -- what I meant is that what you like music should sound like and what I think music should sound like may be different; however, I believe both opinions are valid as music is art and much of the appreciation of art is what the listener brings of themselves to the exerience.
Of course you cannot measure the beauty of music by a testing device (although music does have meter ).
But Joe you are right, I do not appreciate music nor comprehend it as well as you. I mean I have only been in bands for 22 years and I only DJ'd for 21 years... not like you Joe, what could I possibly know about music compared to you....???
unfortunately you can not measure art in the music by a meter..... unless music is unimportant to you and you rather watch the meter.
I think you missed my point -- what I meant is that what you like music should sound like and what I think music should sound like may be different; however, I believe both opinions are valid as music is art and much of the appreciation of art is what the listener brings of themselves to the exerience.
Of course you cannot measure the beauty of music by a testing device (although music does have meter
).But Joe you are right, I do not appreciate music nor comprehend it as well as you. I mean I have only been in bands for 22 years and I only DJ'd for 21 years... not like you Joe, what could I possibly know about music compared to you....???
01-08-2007, 06:53 AM
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Originally Posted by bisson
I think you missed my point -- what I meant is that what you like music should sound like and what I think music should sound like may be different; however, I believe both opinions are valid as music is art and much of the appreciation of art is what the listener brings of themselves to the exerience.
Of course you cannot measure the beauty of music by a testing device (although music does have meter ).
01-08-2007, 10:33 AM
#28
Originally Posted by Miluni
No offence taken but I know exactly what you mean. Competitors usually know other guys with audio systems yet they never get invited or show up. That's why I still strongly believe that the competitors have to make an attempt to get more people to show up and compete..
Originally Posted by Miluni
Most cars with sound systems don't listen to radio today so promoting on the radio makes no sense nowadays. Word of mouth and a fun show, that's all it comes down to.
what i'm trying to get at is Word of mouth do not work well
01-08-2007, 10:39 AM
#29
I competed during the 2005 season in IASCA, which basically meant the 4 shows that Hzemall put on. And that was probably the most IASCA-sanctioned shows in 1 year that I can remember in about a decade. I went out to support Tim but also to support SQ competitions in general. I had fun but the turnout was very weak. One of them even had Joe AND Dukk competing 
I went to the big USAC show that August in Kelowna too. Huge show. Haven't been to a show like that since 97 or 98. So it's not like big shows like that CAN'T happen anymore like they used to. They can. It takes the people to come out though. And it probably helps to get the word out too. Not sure if Andre's in Kelowna had radio spots to advertise the show but I wouldn't be suprised. Actually now that I think of it, the year before I remember being on vacation in the Okanagon when the Vernon shows was on and it was being advertised on the radio. I do honestly think that it helps alot to bring out spectators and some competitors by doing radio advertising. Sure maybe the kids driving around booming MP3s all day aren't cranking the radio, but the places where they work, or when they commute to/from work, or things like that, have the radio playing and if you advertise on a popular station like Jack FM or The Beat, it's going to be heard by the target audiences.
I dropped by the Beamriders show too and by 4:00 they were already wrapping up so obvioulsy nothing too spectacular was going on. It's always nice to have some demo cars on display to listen to, as well as competitors cars opened up and on display. One of the biggest attractions I have to a competition is seeing other cars installations and when a person has their car locked-up.....well, it sucks.
I, as a father and husband, do appreciate it too when a shop putting on a show runs and promotes it as a family event. Not just a show for rowdies and punks. If you make a show that a guy can be proud to bring his family too, it will attract another calibre of competitor.
I went to the big USAC show that August in Kelowna too. Huge show. Haven't been to a show like that since 97 or 98. So it's not like big shows like that CAN'T happen anymore like they used to. They can. It takes the people to come out though. And it probably helps to get the word out too. Not sure if Andre's in Kelowna had radio spots to advertise the show but I wouldn't be suprised. Actually now that I think of it, the year before I remember being on vacation in the Okanagon when the Vernon shows was on and it was being advertised on the radio. I do honestly think that it helps alot to bring out spectators and some competitors by doing radio advertising. Sure maybe the kids driving around booming MP3s all day aren't cranking the radio, but the places where they work, or when they commute to/from work, or things like that, have the radio playing and if you advertise on a popular station like Jack FM or The Beat, it's going to be heard by the target audiences.I dropped by the Beamriders show too and by 4:00 they were already wrapping up so obvioulsy nothing too spectacular was going on. It's always nice to have some demo cars on display to listen to, as well as competitors cars opened up and on display. One of the biggest attractions I have to a competition is seeing other cars installations and when a person has their car locked-up.....well, it sucks.
I, as a father and husband, do appreciate it too when a shop putting on a show runs and promotes it as a family event. Not just a show for rowdies and punks. If you make a show that a guy can be proud to bring his family too, it will attract another calibre of competitor.
01-08-2007, 01:05 PM
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Metre (music)
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Metre or meter (see spelling differences) is the measurement of a musical line into measures of stressed and unstressed "beats", indicated in Western music notation by a symbol called a time signature. Properly, "metre" describes the whole concept of measuring rhythmic units, but it can also be used as a specific descriptor for a measurement of an individual piece as represented by the time signature—for example, "This piece is in 4/4 metre (help·info)" is equivalent to "This piece is in 4/4 time" or "This piece has a 4/4 time signature".
Metre is an entrainment, a representation of changing aspects of music as patterns of temporal invariance, allowing listeners to synchronize their perception, cognition, and behaviour with musical rhythms. Rhythm is distinguished from metre in that rhythms are patterns of duration while "metre involves our initial perception as well as subsequent anticipation of a series of beats that we abstract from the rhythm surface of the music as it unfolds in time" (London 2004, p.4-5).
Ametric music includes chant, some graphically scored works since the 1950s, and non-European folk music such as honkyoku repertoire for shakuhachi (Karpinski 2000, p.19).
From Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia
Jump to: navigation, search
Metre or meter (see spelling differences) is the measurement of a musical line into measures of stressed and unstressed "beats", indicated in Western music notation by a symbol called a time signature. Properly, "metre" describes the whole concept of measuring rhythmic units, but it can also be used as a specific descriptor for a measurement of an individual piece as represented by the time signature—for example, "This piece is in 4/4 metre (help·info)" is equivalent to "This piece is in 4/4 time" or "This piece has a 4/4 time signature".
Metre is an entrainment, a representation of changing aspects of music as patterns of temporal invariance, allowing listeners to synchronize their perception, cognition, and behaviour with musical rhythms. Rhythm is distinguished from metre in that rhythms are patterns of duration while "metre involves our initial perception as well as subsequent anticipation of a series of beats that we abstract from the rhythm surface of the music as it unfolds in time" (London 2004, p.4-5).
Ametric music includes chant, some graphically scored works since the 1950s, and non-European folk music such as honkyoku repertoire for shakuhachi (Karpinski 2000, p.19).
