Car Alarm Costs
01-29-2007, 12:26 PM
#11
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its people like you who would be fired anways, do you work at a shop?, are you and installer?, unless u are an installer or u own a shop you wouldnt understand. So how would u feel if u brought a young guy under your wing, spent time and money training him, gave him the hours he needed even if ur shop was slow, provided him with a job that allows him to live his life, and then after putting urself out there the little bastard sharks some install from you, eventually it turns into the installer telling friends not to bother comming in, if you F up an install outside of work u still make that shop look bad as your affiliated with the shop regardless of on or off shift, our shop had this happen, they F'd up the job, he got pissed went down the road and who knows how many ppl we lost to that one, when it all comes down to it doing installs on the side is basically a big F you to the person providing u a livelyhood, hope maybe u can see the otherside....dont think i wouldnt wanna do some off hours jobs to line my pocket for finacial reasons but i sure as hell wont do it
Last edited by D.Sanchez; 01-29-2007 at 12:30 PM.
01-29-2007, 12:49 PM
#12
Perhaps you should consider these things.
Ethics.
You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
I will fire any employee that I find doing work outside the store that is directly related to the things that I am in business to sell. My employees are not in business for themself. If they want to work on their buddies stuff, fine, do it here at the shop, use the shop tools and parts and provide the warranty to your buddy in case something toasts on them. Give them a discount, that is what buddies can do.
What kind of warranty do you as a backyard installer give your buddy when his alarm install short circuits and burns his car to the ground? Was it worth it for a case of beer? If you work for someone, you work for them and not for yourself. Is it worth losing your job over for a case of beer? Perhaps it is if you are still too young to understand what the word ethics means.
Ethics.
You don't bite the hand that feeds you.
I will fire any employee that I find doing work outside the store that is directly related to the things that I am in business to sell. My employees are not in business for themself. If they want to work on their buddies stuff, fine, do it here at the shop, use the shop tools and parts and provide the warranty to your buddy in case something toasts on them. Give them a discount, that is what buddies can do.
What kind of warranty do you as a backyard installer give your buddy when his alarm install short circuits and burns his car to the ground? Was it worth it for a case of beer? If you work for someone, you work for them and not for yourself. Is it worth losing your job over for a case of beer? Perhaps it is if you are still too young to understand what the word ethics means.
01-29-2007, 12:58 PM
#13
Mr2ner, I agree totally, with you and D.Sanchez, at the same time, I have to say what happens after hours is after hours again, This person is looking for an alarm, and as the topic stated, I filled out the proper info, and somehow it got taken the wrong way!! I don't know who works in the industry, Just stating a fact that I PERSONALLY installed my own, as I have the know how, and if it screws up, thats my own damn fault, I don't have to **** and moan to a company about the problems I will have with it!! I hope that you decide to get it done professionally from a authorized dealer, and everyone else needs a freakin Vicodin FFS
01-29-2007, 01:04 PM
#14
Not trying to harp on your thread at all but I was actually in the very shoes that you mentioned and it almost cost me my job once. Had it not been one of the managers vehicles and the fact that I refused to accept any kind of payment, I would have been shatcanned on the spot by our stores general manager when he found out. As it happened, we both ended up with a written warning in our files on it. Some businesses do not take things like this lightly, matter of fact it is viewed as theft.
A car audio store is in business to sell both products and services and has a proprietary right to do so. The employee by working for this employer is now bound by the same rights. If the employee does work or solicits work for outside of the business on their own time, this is indeed theft and then it is up to the employer on how they want to proceed on it. I for one did not consider this when I was in those shoes. Now 18 years later I fully understand it and support it. Sitting in the customers shoes, I would not want to jeopardize a persons job, why would you?
While there will indeed be people that do this and it will continue to happen, so will the bad installs from some of them with absolutely no insurance coverage in the event of something bad happening. This unfortunately happens all the time and by the number of posts on forums of "How do I fix this", now you can understand how big of a problem it truly is.
So that said, approach the vendors here on the forum for a install. Give them the opportunity to earn your business. We don't have peg legs, a patch on our eye and a bird on our shoulder and say Arrrrr all day long. We do good work, properly and place a guarantee on both the equipment and the install. We grow our business and keep people employed by providing services to you.
A car audio store is in business to sell both products and services and has a proprietary right to do so. The employee by working for this employer is now bound by the same rights. If the employee does work or solicits work for outside of the business on their own time, this is indeed theft and then it is up to the employer on how they want to proceed on it. I for one did not consider this when I was in those shoes. Now 18 years later I fully understand it and support it. Sitting in the customers shoes, I would not want to jeopardize a persons job, why would you?
While there will indeed be people that do this and it will continue to happen, so will the bad installs from some of them with absolutely no insurance coverage in the event of something bad happening. This unfortunately happens all the time and by the number of posts on forums of "How do I fix this", now you can understand how big of a problem it truly is.
So that said, approach the vendors here on the forum for a install. Give them the opportunity to earn your business. We don't have peg legs, a patch on our eye and a bird on our shoulder and say Arrrrr all day long. We do good work, properly and place a guarantee on both the equipment and the install. We grow our business and keep people employed by providing services to you.
01-29-2007, 04:36 PM
#16
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 6
gettin back to the topic
yo dude if u still reach this thread once and while u should get the compustar 2W900FMR, its the one i just got done and that is by far the best 2 way pager out right now, if u look into it, it will probably cost u anywhere from 450 - 600 installed, 5000 feet range and has starter kill and all the stuff u need ....
but word of advice if a good thief wants ur stuff nomatter if u have alarm or not, he will get at ur stuff, the alarm is made more or less to protect ur ryde from gettin taken..
check up selective sound tho they got sick prices and the ppl when u call in give u tons of info no b-s.. anyways good luck on ur search
but word of advice if a good thief wants ur stuff nomatter if u have alarm or not, he will get at ur stuff, the alarm is made more or less to protect ur ryde from gettin taken..
check up selective sound tho they got sick prices and the ppl when u call in give u tons of info no b-s.. anyways good luck on ur search
01-29-2007, 05:29 PM
#17
Thanks selective sound and deal finally something said that I care about. Information about an alarm, now was that so hard? If you all look at what I originally wrote I asked if anyone knew of a good place to get a good install done at a good price. I really am not that well educated on vehicle alarms. Then the second part I asked if anyone wanted to do one on the side. Now I am sorry if I (and apparently I did) offended some people but what you should be doing is telling me where I can go to get a quality install like I had asked. If you want to bark at the second part go right ahead but you should at least put something a little bit constructive in there that will convince me to go to "x" store because it is good or whatever. A vendor telling me I am an idiot really turns me away from getting a vendor to do my install.
As for ethics, It has nothing to do with my ethics so dont tell me about my ethics and tell me that I am too young to know what ethics are. It does have to do with the ethics of the individuals that would install on the side but not mine. Also you said you did it yourself so you can not really critisize but you can educate. Is it ethical that you were likley on the clock at 2pm while you were on the internet reading this thread? Owner or not I'm sure you dont allow your employees to surf the net while on the clock. Do as I say not as I do?
Now all that being said, please teach me something about alarms and why I should get a vendor to install one and what it is going to cost for each.
Thanks and can we please stop the boxing match.
As for ethics, It has nothing to do with my ethics so dont tell me about my ethics and tell me that I am too young to know what ethics are. It does have to do with the ethics of the individuals that would install on the side but not mine. Also you said you did it yourself so you can not really critisize but you can educate. Is it ethical that you were likley on the clock at 2pm while you were on the internet reading this thread? Owner or not I'm sure you dont allow your employees to surf the net while on the clock. Do as I say not as I do?
Now all that being said, please teach me something about alarms and why I should get a vendor to install one and what it is going to cost for each.
Thanks and can we please stop the boxing match.
01-29-2007, 06:39 PM
#18
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Join Date: Apr 2006
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a basic alarm install at our shop runs u about $100, that covers having ur doors sensed, park light flash, siren, light in dash, antena run, an all other smaller things, now depending on the alarm u choose ( id highly recomend the compustar 2 way alarms) ur gonna wanna look at wether u have auto locks in ur car, if yes u can have those tied into ur lock and unlock feature of ur new alarm, if u dont you can still have these added for a little more money, most alarms have shock sensors but if not ull want one, another good option to add is the glass break sensor which is a mic that pics up the frequncy of shattering glass, as u can break a window with not much force so ur shock sensor wouldnt pick up...so when looking at alarms thing about what kinda control over ur protection do u want ? do u want a simple alarm that will just make noise if someone tires to break in? or do you want an alarm which will page you on your key chain telling you your door has been opend, someone is smashing your window, or that someone is gernally fooling around with ur car and u need to go check it out. people dont pay much attention to car alarms anymore so id go for teh second option of having a 2 way FM remote i hope that helps, most alarms come with other cool features like being able to tie in your LEDs or underbodys do them, truck pop, etc go compustar!
01-29-2007, 07:29 PM
#19
adammiller03, at no point in time was I inferring that you were a idiot nor am I questing your ethics at all. You as a consumer can ask any question you like. A idiot and a person with no ethics is the employee that does work behind their employers back, any employers back. You never bite the hand that feeds you.
Ethics are a huge part of how I run my business. Is it ethical for me as a business owner and paying vendor on this site to be here posting at 2:00 when my employees are doing their jobs that they are paid to do? Yes it is and as a owner it is my right to do as I please. I have earned and pay for that right.
Do I and have I continually posted on this site for years now during the day and night for issues that have nothing to do with me in any way shape or form? Yes I do. This is something that a good vendor does, answer questions so that the consumer can make a good buying decision.
Davis will do the exact same kind of things for you, give you the service that you need before during and after the sale. If a warranty issue pops up, he is the person that will solve it for you instead of saying, sorry, no warranty on that as the install caused the problem. Please take it back to whomever installed it and here is a bill for our time as well. This scenario happens too often in this industry.
A dealer, a good dealer is few and far between these days. We are generally a little opinionated but have formed these opinions based on facts and time in the trenches. Use our knowledge, it is part of the services we offer in our sale. So again, my comments were not necessarily directed at you, more to the people in the industry that think it is alright to do something outside of work. I am sure that everyone values their jobs and do not want to get fired for what they think is a unjust reason. Let's keep it that way for all.
Now onto more pleasant things.
I also prefer the compustar line of alarms. The new PRO version has proven to be a great alarm system. It is the first upgrade to the brain in about 7 years now. They are not a company that comes out with the "latest and greatest" every year as the next biggest thing since sliced bread. They are now 5th generation in their paging technology as it applies to alarms and starters. The product is bulletproof and is highly user and installer friendly.
They are available with or without remote start function. They are available with or without paging functions. They pretty much all come with keyless entry functions. Keyless entry is a install option, if your car has power locks or you want power locks installed, the installer will hook up this ciruitry.
As far as the pagin functions go, what is it worth to you to catch a thief when he is breaking into your car. The FM transmission Compustar Pro units have a range of 5000 or feet. They alert you with a tone, a vibration and a lit icon on the remote control if you are in this range. The icon shows what sensor set off the alarm system.
There are many different options that a system like this allows you to add, things like the sensors that Snatchez wrote about above and more intricate things like door poppers, lighting controls, amp rack motorization, oil slick, ejection seat and the balance of the 007 options.
I like alarms that are predicable in how they operate. I like alarms that if a option needs to be changed it is simple for either the user or installer to chagne. I like alarms that do not go off at 4:00am because some cat jumped on the hood or because the temperature changed. This is why I like Compustar, use Compustar and recommend Compustar. Good products, good support from them to me and me to you. To top it all off, a good install is what makes a good alarm. A bad install can make a good alarm worthless.
Ethics are a huge part of how I run my business. Is it ethical for me as a business owner and paying vendor on this site to be here posting at 2:00 when my employees are doing their jobs that they are paid to do? Yes it is and as a owner it is my right to do as I please. I have earned and pay for that right.
Do I and have I continually posted on this site for years now during the day and night for issues that have nothing to do with me in any way shape or form? Yes I do. This is something that a good vendor does, answer questions so that the consumer can make a good buying decision.
Davis will do the exact same kind of things for you, give you the service that you need before during and after the sale. If a warranty issue pops up, he is the person that will solve it for you instead of saying, sorry, no warranty on that as the install caused the problem. Please take it back to whomever installed it and here is a bill for our time as well. This scenario happens too often in this industry.
A dealer, a good dealer is few and far between these days. We are generally a little opinionated but have formed these opinions based on facts and time in the trenches. Use our knowledge, it is part of the services we offer in our sale. So again, my comments were not necessarily directed at you, more to the people in the industry that think it is alright to do something outside of work. I am sure that everyone values their jobs and do not want to get fired for what they think is a unjust reason. Let's keep it that way for all.
Now onto more pleasant things.
I also prefer the compustar line of alarms. The new PRO version has proven to be a great alarm system. It is the first upgrade to the brain in about 7 years now. They are not a company that comes out with the "latest and greatest" every year as the next biggest thing since sliced bread. They are now 5th generation in their paging technology as it applies to alarms and starters. The product is bulletproof and is highly user and installer friendly.
They are available with or without remote start function. They are available with or without paging functions. They pretty much all come with keyless entry functions. Keyless entry is a install option, if your car has power locks or you want power locks installed, the installer will hook up this ciruitry.
As far as the pagin functions go, what is it worth to you to catch a thief when he is breaking into your car. The FM transmission Compustar Pro units have a range of 5000 or feet. They alert you with a tone, a vibration and a lit icon on the remote control if you are in this range. The icon shows what sensor set off the alarm system.
There are many different options that a system like this allows you to add, things like the sensors that Snatchez wrote about above and more intricate things like door poppers, lighting controls, amp rack motorization, oil slick, ejection seat and the balance of the 007 options.
I like alarms that are predicable in how they operate. I like alarms that if a option needs to be changed it is simple for either the user or installer to chagne. I like alarms that do not go off at 4:00am because some cat jumped on the hood or because the temperature changed. This is why I like Compustar, use Compustar and recommend Compustar. Good products, good support from them to me and me to you. To top it all off, a good install is what makes a good alarm. A bad install can make a good alarm worthless.
01-29-2007, 09:09 PM
#20
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Join Date: Dec 2006
Posts: 6
continuation
yup yup D.Sanchez has the right info
also just to let u know compustar alarms are backed by a life time warrenty on the brain (the computer part)
i dunno how far away ur gonna be from ur car at times but if 5000 feet is too much they also have a 3000 feet one that is less in cost, as for a straight up no half assed install job its gona bee 100$ and up, my friend had some fool that did the whole thing in about 1 hour had his fuses and wires ****ed lol the alarm wont stop and all this bullshit, do not get nuttin from canadian tire those ***** last for about 3 months then ur gonna start having problems...
u might want to hit up Pacific Mall if ur in Toronto, they have car stores there so u can shop around for the priceing i have a link if u need one..
i personally know a shop and they come to ur door and installs it at ur place so u dont need to travel, its gonna cost 450$ for the compustar i got and the install is included, they offer life time labour ( i.e if anything goes wrong with it they come to ur house free of charge) and the compustar itself has the lifetime warrenty....
once again i shopped around for 3 months for pricing and then put my money into it, u should do the same
let me know if u need the shops number
also just to let u know compustar alarms are backed by a life time warrenty on the brain (the computer part)
i dunno how far away ur gonna be from ur car at times but if 5000 feet is too much they also have a 3000 feet one that is less in cost, as for a straight up no half assed install job its gona bee 100$ and up, my friend had some fool that did the whole thing in about 1 hour had his fuses and wires ****ed lol the alarm wont stop and all this bullshit, do not get nuttin from canadian tire those ***** last for about 3 months then ur gonna start having problems...
u might want to hit up Pacific Mall if ur in Toronto, they have car stores there so u can shop around for the priceing i have a link if u need one..
i personally know a shop and they come to ur door and installs it at ur place so u dont need to travel, its gonna cost 450$ for the compustar i got and the install is included, they offer life time labour ( i.e if anything goes wrong with it they come to ur house free of charge) and the compustar itself has the lifetime warrenty....
once again i shopped around for 3 months for pricing and then put my money into it, u should do the same
let me know if u need the shops number
