another reason why sanctioning is a waste of time and money
02-25-2009, 06:05 PM
#32
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randy(goalie 35) doesnt speak for me....i dont wanna drive/fly walk anywhere to get it, i already have the cd and rule book and if i cant have beer during i aint going....not to be a party pooper but its a hop skip and a jump for you guys and a 800k round trip for me......and training should be no more than 120 minutes and should be done via webinar or some other more time and cost effective way.....if wayne harris can have a world finals via the internet im sure iasca can figure out a way to do some judges training without having to get on an airplane
02-25-2009, 10:05 PM
#35
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I am only going to say this one more time.
If BC is going to hold IASCA shows they will need more judges . Others who obviously a expert in the field of 12v will need some training.
ALSO nobody will have to go to SBN or Ontario to become a judge. I am more then Willing to come out there and host a training but I need to go over with someone who wants to help with the training how that works. I need a promoter out there who wants to tackle this with me.
Also considering IASCA has not had a training out there in some time I would love to know who is judging these shows.
I am 100% certain after reading your comments that the time has come where I need to recertify SOME of these judges.
I am going to some investigating with Moe and see whats been taking place out WEST.
this i hope you do .
what i see ,i do not like and soon i will stop going to IASCA shows.
i will call you soon .
Also considering IASCA has not had a training out there in some time I would love to know who is judging these shows.
I am only going to say this one more time.
If BC is going to hold IASCA shows they will need more judges . Others who obviously a expert in the field of 12v will need some training.
ALSO nobody will have to go to SBN or Ontario to become a judge. I am more then Willing to come out there and host a training but I need to go over with someone who wants to help with the training how that works. I need a promoter out there who wants to tackle this with me.
Also considering IASCA has not had a training out there in some time I would love to know who is judging these shows.
I am 100% certain after reading your comments that the time has come where I need to recertify SOME of these judges.
I am going to some investigating with Moe and see whats been taking place out WEST.
this i hope you do .
what i see ,i do not like and soon i will stop going to IASCA shows.
i will call you soon .
Also considering IASCA has not had a training out there in some time I would love to know who is judging these shows.
02-26-2009, 02:34 PM
#36
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Dave - If sanctioning is so useless, I don't see why you want to be certified (for free) and hold sanctioned events (for free). Your supposition that IASCA would get more out of it than you is weak.
Randy (goalie35) has a decent proposal.
Randy (goalie35) has a decent proposal.
02-26-2009, 03:39 PM
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im doing it to help grow the sport for iasca in the west......they would get more out of it than me for sure......people are coming to our shows regardless.....like i said before....the best and most highly attended shows weve ever had were unsanctioned and if iasca wasnt to be part of them great..... if not....im not ganna sweat it one bit....
02-26-2009, 05:15 PM
#38
Correct me if I'm wrong but I thought there was some training out west in either 2005 or 2006? Can't recall if it was local or down in Portland or something. I know some locals went down and got 'certified'. To be honest, some of those judges I would not want judging my car or holding their judgement to be of any usefulness. One guy was a fairly recent competitor and entrant into the world of SQ and now he's a judge? Me no likey. Like Jason said, just because you are a judge doesn't mean you know how a car should sound or how a system should be installed. For that reason, I support a judges training that lasts more than 1/2 day.
Jason, at a judges training session, do you just go over the rule book or do you actually go over specific items to look for in installatino for things like creativity and what to listen for on the CD, along perhaps with a sound system to show what you are speaking of? If you are, an online course wouldn't work.
Jason, at a judges training session, do you just go over the rule book or do you actually go over specific items to look for in installatino for things like creativity and what to listen for on the CD, along perhaps with a sound system to show what you are speaking of? If you are, an online course wouldn't work.
02-26-2009, 05:21 PM
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ok...so we go to a judges training, we listen to all the stuff, we read the book, we buy out cd,s and blah blah blah........does that then make us good judges.....is experience judging not far more important......and i am going to regret saying this but.....i often wonder what some judges reference is....and by reference i mean their reference system
02-26-2009, 05:45 PM
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ok...so we go to a judges training, we listen to all the stuff, we read the book, we buy out cd,s and blah blah blah........does that then make us good judges.....is experience judging not far more important......and i am going to regret saying this but.....i often wonder what some judges reference is....and by reference i mean their reference system
Then you have the availability that falls mostly on newer guys in SQ. They possess all kinds of availability, and so IASCA trains them and throws them out to judge. It becomes a tough call when all of the people with years of ability are not wanting to remain involved and perhaps some who are shouldn't be because of low levels of experience.
Reference plays a major part of this too. Generally you will find that judges who have not just heard, but also set up hundreds of cars along with really experimenting in them will go a long way. There references become a long list of cars, high end home (no, not your dad's kenwood home system) and listening to live rooms. You cannot gain this experience in 2 or 3 seasons of listening to a some cars, a demo room, or setting up your own saturday night. I know that it's not always the case, but experience does play a major factor.
I guess the problem is that IASCA has to pick judges from an availability standpoint in people, but from what I hear/read, they need some more from an ability standpoint.
