Buying audio online from the USA -- mistake?
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I don't mind internet per se, it's just the fly by nights that sell things below dealer cost that gets me angry, really it's the manufacturers who are to blame. I don't have a problem with Sounddomain or GCA, they seem to be well run businesses that provide a service that is needed. It's people who buy off the places that sell something that retails for $500 at $100 and in the end they are screwing the customer by not having to provide warranty etc.
Originally posted by Jeremy_ESQ:
Well, just about two weeks ago when I first signed up on this site, I was asking about Clarion-this and Clarion-that, mainly because I had found an authorized Clarion reseller (Oxford Auto Sound on Kennedy Road) where the owner was willing to cut me some great deals on Clarion hardware. His prices were drastically cheaper than the MSRP's listed on the Clarion site.
Once I became more educated with car audio (thanks to this site as well as other audio forums), I realized that JL equipment is some of the best stuff you can buy for the money. I wanted to buy something really good off the bat in order to avoid the desire to move up to something better down the road.
JL does not list MSRP's on their website so I had to rely on eBay to give me a rough idea of how much the going price was for amplifiers and subs. I got sticker shock upon going to Kennedy HiFi ... the asking prices were positively crazy! A good portion of those prices have *got* to be a markup of some sort.
Did I really want to spend that sort of money for subs and amps ($1000 for a 500/1, $599 for a 10W6v2 ... don't forget PST and GST). No way, not when I can get the same stuff for 45% less (including all taxes & duties) ordering from the United States. If the differential was 10% or 15% tops, I wouldn't have minded. 45% and up ... you bet I mind!
Well, just about two weeks ago when I first signed up on this site, I was asking about Clarion-this and Clarion-that, mainly because I had found an authorized Clarion reseller (Oxford Auto Sound on Kennedy Road) where the owner was willing to cut me some great deals on Clarion hardware. His prices were drastically cheaper than the MSRP's listed on the Clarion site.
Once I became more educated with car audio (thanks to this site as well as other audio forums), I realized that JL equipment is some of the best stuff you can buy for the money. I wanted to buy something really good off the bat in order to avoid the desire to move up to something better down the road.
JL does not list MSRP's on their website so I had to rely on eBay to give me a rough idea of how much the going price was for amplifiers and subs. I got sticker shock upon going to Kennedy HiFi ... the asking prices were positively crazy! A good portion of those prices have *got* to be a markup of some sort.
Did I really want to spend that sort of money for subs and amps ($1000 for a 500/1, $599 for a 10W6v2 ... don't forget PST and GST). No way, not when I can get the same stuff for 45% less (including all taxes & duties) ordering from the United States. If the differential was 10% or 15% tops, I wouldn't have minded. 45% and up ... you bet I mind!
You guys do seem to get some outrageously high pricing on stuff in Canada though...ouch.
Originally posted by Chadxton:
I guess I wasn't too explicit when I was posting as to why I never pay brokerage.
I live 20 minutes from the border, so what I do is have my stuff sent to a receiving/storage place and pick it up when it arrives. Then I declare it myself. Works beautifully. Sorry if people couldn't get why I don't pay more than taxes, haha. [img]smile.gif[/img]
I guess I wasn't too explicit when I was posting as to why I never pay brokerage.
I live 20 minutes from the border, so what I do is have my stuff sent to a receiving/storage place and pick it up when it arrives. Then I declare it myself. Works beautifully. Sorry if people couldn't get why I don't pay more than taxes, haha. [img]smile.gif[/img]
What kind of fee does the receiving/storage facility charge you for their service?
Originally posted by DWVW:
In Canada we have distributors who import the product into Canada, of course they ned their share of profit as well, that is one reason why prices are higher here.
In Canada we have distributors who import the product into Canada, of course they ned their share of profit as well, that is one reason why prices are higher here.
Never have I had to pay duty on any amount of items I brought across at once.
I pay 7 bucks US a month plus a small $1.70 charge per item to have a 4'x2'x2' box. Pales in comparison to what I'd pay otherwise.
I pay 7 bucks US a month plus a small $1.70 charge per item to have a 4'x2'x2' box. Pales in comparison to what I'd pay otherwise.
Wouldnt it suck to have to drive to the states for all of your competitions? Because all I hear about is people talk about buying from the states or online.. These are usually the same people that complain that there are not enough shows. I guess people dont realize that if you dont support your local shops, there wont be any local shops to hold the shows... I would think that paying a few more dollars on an item and have the piece of mind that if something goes wrong you can show up at the shop and someone will look at it for you.
Sure you can maybe save a few bucks on buying online or having something shipped from the us.. but it`ll cost you lots more to drive to shows when the closest one is in the usa.
Sure you can maybe save a few bucks on buying online or having something shipped from the us.. but it`ll cost you lots more to drive to shows when the closest one is in the usa.
Its a fair market for one to buy stuff, so local shops need to do more in pricing, and advertising to get the business locally, make it tangable for me to come spend my money there and I will, otherwise I'm going elsewhere. My local shop carries all the equipment I use, and when I told the guy I deal with, the #'s I got online, vs. when he could do for me, He even told me to buy it online, because there was no way he could beat that price.
Its up to you to do what you want with your money, and if buying locally cost you $1000, and you find it online for $500, then that means you suddenly have an extra 500 to spend on another piece!
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So you say a local shop should advertise more and lower prices? Those are mutually exclusive goals.
That's fine that people use the net to get deals, just don't come crying to local shops when they have problems, and don't expect them to be there a few years from now and problems arise.
That's fine that people use the net to get deals, just don't come crying to local shops when they have problems, and don't expect them to be there a few years from now and problems arise.
And what might those problems be my supreme car audio god???
Why is it you think there is a problem when you buy something from the states or online, it all comes from there anyway, so i dont see your point. You think that we all should use local shops to do everything?, he mearly asked for an opion on it, and as we have seen, he did buy the pieces he wanted, saved money, and will be able to buy something else with the money he save like power wire, or interconnects from his local shop. So he hasnt cut out the local shop all together. He did what we all want to do, and thats enjoy a hobby that will not empty our bank account. That was the whole point of his post, was to get input from those who may have bought stuff online, and see if it was more affordable to do so.
Why is it you think there is a problem when you buy something from the states or online, it all comes from there anyway, so i dont see your point. You think that we all should use local shops to do everything?, he mearly asked for an opion on it, and as we have seen, he did buy the pieces he wanted, saved money, and will be able to buy something else with the money he save like power wire, or interconnects from his local shop. So he hasnt cut out the local shop all together. He did what we all want to do, and thats enjoy a hobby that will not empty our bank account. That was the whole point of his post, was to get input from those who may have bought stuff online, and see if it was more affordable to do so.
Sorry if this thread stirred up the s*** [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img]
When I said "a good portion of those prices have *got* to be a markup of some sort", I was not criticizing audio shops for trying to make a honest profit, I was referring to the magnitude of such a markup, which is downright ridiculous IMO, even if a middleman exists between manufacturer and retailer.
I know that buying hardware from the United States is risky, however, there are measures in place to protect me.
(1) eBay Buyer Protection
(2) Paypal Buyer Protection
(3) VISA Buyer Protection
(1) and (2) apply only if I do not receive the item, or if I receive it in a damaged state, or the item is not as described. The 500/1 came securely packed and upon opening the shipping box, the amp was in its factory box with contents undisturbed. If I hook it up and its dead, then I can dispute it and get (almost) all my money back.
I was sure that the retailer I bought it from (ebay ID audio-n-video) was established (three years on eBay) with plenty of positive eBay feedbacks (146 of them in the last six months, 54 in the last seven days). In addition, I have a one-year warranty from the retailer. If something goes wrong, yes, I have to go through the hassle of sending it back over there, but in the end, it will still be cheaper than the conventional route.
But wait! (3) protects me if the product breaks down within one year of acquisition.
I think I am in pretty good shape. Then again, both the amp and the sub could never give me any trouble whatsoever...
When I said "a good portion of those prices have *got* to be a markup of some sort", I was not criticizing audio shops for trying to make a honest profit, I was referring to the magnitude of such a markup, which is downright ridiculous IMO, even if a middleman exists between manufacturer and retailer.
I know that buying hardware from the United States is risky, however, there are measures in place to protect me.
(1) eBay Buyer Protection
(2) Paypal Buyer Protection
(3) VISA Buyer Protection
(1) and (2) apply only if I do not receive the item, or if I receive it in a damaged state, or the item is not as described. The 500/1 came securely packed and upon opening the shipping box, the amp was in its factory box with contents undisturbed. If I hook it up and its dead, then I can dispute it and get (almost) all my money back.
I was sure that the retailer I bought it from (ebay ID audio-n-video) was established (three years on eBay) with plenty of positive eBay feedbacks (146 of them in the last six months, 54 in the last seven days). In addition, I have a one-year warranty from the retailer. If something goes wrong, yes, I have to go through the hassle of sending it back over there, but in the end, it will still be cheaper than the conventional route.
But wait! (3) protects me if the product breaks down within one year of acquisition.
I think I am in pretty good shape. Then again, both the amp and the sub could never give me any trouble whatsoever...



