If DB Drag was smart, especially since they're selling Bass Race CD's from what I can see (and somewhat tracking that), they'd come up with something more interactive than JUST that ...

The best example is the one right here. Someone casual like me. If they were smart, they'd find a way to profit off of me.
Instead, they ain't gettin nothing!

 

the website/stats page is pretty interactive and customizable. you can upload pics, youtibe vids and some other crap you can do with it.

 

That's a start ... at least they've been willing to jump on that format.
They should really run the site like a YouTube page, get some updated events (I'm seeing 2006, wtf?) and you'll get heavy hits to the site.

If people are actually visiting the source, rather than Real of Excursion or sites like YouTube, they'll generate hits and in turn, some leads.

But then again, what the hell do I know right?

 

you should run for the president of marketing for the db drag organization

 

I'm business minded ... when there's money to be made, I want to make it.
I just hate seeing companies and businesses sit and lose out on opportunities.
I think there's more opportunity for them, they're just not taking it.

Why do I have to find out and search for that website ... it should just be KNOWN ...

Maybe they just want a product for the "Elites", I don't know ... I just don't see it like that though, especially when you're charging for a membership.

I want to be president of something one day, that's for damn sure.

 

oh brother. you are by far arent the first person who thinks they have the ideas to turn it all around and make a ton of money out of it. SPL isnt exactly a cash cow market. Matter of fact its a very neiche market. You can tell by how little the number of actual competitors are at every show.

Before you say, well they got to do something to encourage people to compete more!! Yah yah, we all know. The fundamental problem lies with the actual participants, not lack of promotion or competition formats. I have noticed over the years that alot of guys really take it to heart when they loose. People cry, moan, bitch, get upset and never come back again. Simply because someone was louder than they were. They can loose by 20 db's or by 2 db's, a loss is a loss and they never ever come back again. Many people dont even enter an event when they show up because they are already loosing in their mind when they see someone in their class has a bigger sub or bigger box or something stupid like that. I seen this maaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaany times, nearly at every single show. At least one person will be like "uh, I know im gonna loose to the guy with 2 12's so no point of me even entering". And that kind of mentality s fast. Next thing you know, all of this dude's friends that are there as well no longer want to enter either.

So, the only way to encourage people to compete more often is to create some sort of a format where EVERYBODY gets a 1st place. I'm not kidding.

I have actually given trophies to people at one of my shows for just showing up (I had extra's left)........guess what, they actually took them and were like "this is awesome!! my first trophy!!". No joke. None of them ever came back and actually entered the competition, instead they wanted another trophy for just showing up again. I'm not kidding here either. When I tell them, no dude you have to actually enter this time to try and WIN a trophy. A very common response was something like "uhhhh nah Im gonna pass then, Im only running RF P2's, the guy with the W7's will smoke me". And there is nothing you can say to someone like that to even get them to think about it.

And as far as you having to look for the db drag website.....considering the fact that you have never been to a single db drag event, ever, I would say their branding is rather strong for you to actually go and look for the site and more information.

 

^^^^^^^^what he said^^^^^^^^ go to a show dude, compete at many shows then try to analize the situation. if you've never competed before how can you have figured out the flaws in the system?

 

I've been to the shows damn it!
I've just been incognito

Yuli, I understand what you're saying and this is an issue many members, including you and I, have discussed on this site many times before.
Thing is, because it isn't a cash cow market as you've said, I think any DB Drag website has to be on top of its game and has exposure on many fronts.
All I'm saying is, I think there's MORE out there. There has to be a way to take someone from installing their system at FutureShop, to then coming out to Scarborough, Lindsay or wherever the hell and competing.
From there, lets say 10 newbies participate ... if 1-4 stay on, that's a success IMO.

You think I'm kidding, but that's realistically the market. Future Shop and Best Buy. That's the STARTING point.

Maybe we're doing it wrong in North America, maybe we have to see how its done elsewhere in the world.
I was watching this YouTube video where a guy on a mic was commenting on the entire process ... non-stop talking.
People seemed to be interested and listening and most of all, they were hosting an event - PERIOD.

All I know is, they're not getting my $50 this time, but that doesn't mean I wasn't going to give them the $50 ... if it had some value, some appeal to me, I would. Right now, it doesn't. Therefore, that's a lost opportunity.

 

Because the flaws are pretty evident, whether you participate or not.
Again, seems like there's a lot of lost opportunities in the scene.

• You have people show up to an event, the biggest thing you have them spend their money on is a hot dog and fries - that's a problem.
• There's no evidence that you went - nothing to bring home and be proud of, other than a 1st place trophy - that's a problem.
• The process is timely - that's a problem.
• Why are we still competing locally - why hasn't anyone ever thought of an online broadcast, simultaneous competition?
• Yuli, you've mentioned that instead of waiting for competition to come to you, you went to the competition ... if there's a venue or format available, say the Toronto Civic Club for example, why can't we go to them at workout a partnership? Because you had marginal success with it in the past, I don't think its necessarily a dead idea.
• Has anyone ever thought of an on-site tutorial? A class, if you will on how to do something or do something better? I wish somebody would show me how to properly build a box or wire stuff up. Yuli, you could do the big 3, ON SITE
• What about blowing **** up or something exciting, other than someone getting their foot run over? Steve Meade is getting tons of YouTube comments and visits to his site and all he does is play his system, get people to comment while hearing his system and lately, blow up 6x9's in a wall socket. AMAZING isn't it? Yeah right.

You guys like to change boxes so much, this is one box that needs to be changed and broken.

And lastly, don't ostracize the guy who's TRYING to think outside the box.

 

I dont think db drag tries to get everyone and everything with a sound system. Not sure if you know but there are like 5-7 other SPL orgs in North America alone. There are 4 active ones in Ontario, do you know what they are? Dont beat yourself up if you dont, not many people do.

There really is no way to attract the people who have:

1. no interest in competing with their stereo

2. do not want to loose EVER.

FutureShop used to actually hold a chain of SPL and car show events around the south/central Ontario back in 1999-2001. They have dropped it since and never done it again. So that's your market, as you put it - realistically lol.

Talking on a mic? Yah that's been done here. You can talk all you want but if you have no one to talk to you are only talking to yourself and the 7 competitors and 4 spectators that are standing next to you.

Exposure on many fronts? Exposure isnt free. Memberships are already $50. Finals entry fee is something stupid like $200. Single point entry fee is $15-$25, multi point entry fee can reach as high as $80. Shall Db Drag decide to dig into its pockets to achieve more exposure you can surely expect those fees going up and up. Sure they can have the front cover of TIME magazine but how many "average guys" like you and I are gonna participate at events if the entry fee is $100???

SPL isnt for everyone. An average competative set up even for the Street category costs upwards of $4-$5k and does not consist of JL or Fosgate. Try explaining that to even some of your friends who enjoy car stereos, they will look at you like "THE Fukk you talkin about????".

Back in the day, manufacturers took it up on themselves to promote the sport. Or should I say manufacturers' marketing departments did. It has worked for them very well. Now, they no longer need to be involved or support it period cuz everyone knows where to buy car audio and how much it costs. Hence there is no one left to pick up the bill. A sound org can only do so much to promote itself while still be affordable by the people it is promoting itself to.

Like I said, the problem is with people's attitude. Go on the db drag forum and you will see that it has like a gabajilion members. Then go to the event result page and see how the number of competitors at nearly all events contrasts the number of forum members......who obviously know about db drag and everything that has to do with it. Why arent those guys at every local show to say the least? Cuz they all want to win 1st place without actually competing. But since that is not possible, they stay at home on their computers and just make threads/posts on the db drag forum.