haha, but you see, I've heard 'em and I love 'em, my beef isn't with the high-end brand, how should I explain this....um.... to me, it's kinda like hearing alternator whine, and instead of figuring out the problem and fixing it, they'll just throw in a ground loop isolator to fix it quick. Now with that said, I know lots of ppl who could buy a set of MBQuart components, and make them sound poor, not bad, but not good. I dont think ppl should use a really good speaker or whatever as a crutch, to patch up a cheap or crappy install, thats all.

 

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your wrong.
the install IS everything, your just naive, or under-experianced, or somthing, do you know the differance between most brands??? First off EVERY speaker has a voice coil, right? and a spider, right? and they all create sound pressure, right? So if you can tell me the mechanical differance between a $150 speaker, ans a $500 speaker, Ill apoligize for demeaning you (take into consideration that both speakers are of the same size and style) and if you think that you'll win a SQ compition just from changing your door speakers and subs, you suck at installing, friend

 

I know a good install makes a HUGE difference is the quality of the end produce, but i still think you're underestimating the effect good quality speakers will make. Now, not so much in subwoofers, but full range speakers and tweeters there is a huge relation betwen SQ and cost. Mechanically, the construction materials are better, the voice coil and suspension system are superior and the cone will always be stiffer and more light weight....resulting in a better sounding speaker. As for tweeters, put a $50 tweeter beside a $150 tweeter and the difference would be night and day...especially if you walk 30 degrees off axis

 

I was just going to bring up the point about tweeters..

some are harsh, and almost all vary.

install to equiptment use to be 50/50 now I figure with all the better stuff out there its more like 75/25.

I do run mbquart myself, but I'd trade them for somthing different if the notion came to me.

but quart are not cheap either.

 

I found a rather interesting post on RAHE which applies to the topic of the original poster. Please read and make your own conclusions:

If we believe that objective measurements are the entire story,
>> then we might as well pack it in. Most of the mass market electronics
>> have equal, if not better, objective measurements. Which does beg the
>> question: what is so high end about high end?
>
> A good subject for a thread IMHO. [img]smile.gif[/img]
> __________________________________________________ ____
>
> Now 'high end' as defined here on RAHE is not high end as
> thought of by most of the public. The 'high end' commonly
> attributed to magazines like Stereophile and TAS. So I am
> not speaking about the 'high end' related to those publications.
> I am referring to the 'high end' of RAHE. Something I think
> would more properly and honestly be called simply high
> fidelity. I also think RAHE would more honestly be called
> rec.audio.high.fidelity.

I agree, but that's not the name that Tom Krueger proposed at the time
it was created in 1990. And name changes after a a group has been
created is not allowed.

> What is 'high end', what is not?
>
> Dennis

To see Tom's concept for the the group you can read his initial
message to the group:

<http://groups.google.com/groups?selm...put=gplain>

The current group guidelines describe it this way:

2.0 -- Definition of High-End Audio

The working definition of 'high-end audio' under which this
newsgroup operates is

a) audio equipment whose primary and fundamental design goal is
to reproduce a musical event as faithfully as possible; or

b) audio equipment which attempts to provide an electromechanical
realization of the emotional experience commonly called music;
or

c) any relevant issues related to the use, design or theory about
a) or b).

Price is generally not significant in determining whether or not a
given component may be considered 'high-end'.

Products from mass-market corporations are less likely to be
considered high end insofar as such mass-market gear is designed
with apparent priority on things other than absolute sound quality.

 

well i'm about to go the way of quick (likely sub-par) install with really good equipment just so i can finally get my gear in my car.

i figure this will give me a benchmark by which to compare all of my additions in the future.

and a rolex does keep better time. a rolex movement is among the best in the world said to lose only about a second every few thousand to a million years or something like that i cant remember the period of time.

and regarding:

3. You + race car = last place

if i were racing garbage trucks i'd kick their asses.

 

You guys scare the **** out of me...especially Icon he's out to get me or something lol...where the heck to garbage trucks and Paul Tracy fit in with car audio?!

[ August 20, 2003, 08:17 PM: Message edited by: tweek ]