Like the old saying goes 'If you don't have anything nice to say then don't say it at all' the youngbloods that are crusing the forums are used to the big badass fiberglass installs with special painted amp ends and strobe lights and all, but really a good install is somthing like was said before by "Punk0Rama_REXXX" if your installer loves it and the customer does too then that's all that really matters; not the opinion of some 19 year old kid whos' read every PAS Mag there is who thinks that every car needs to have an extreme install. Onto other things I'm new to this board and I see some of the drama that goes on between some of the members and really that's not what car audio's about, it's about having fun and showing off our cars. Not to nitpick at every little detail that looks bad to someone but not to everyone and makes the installer second guess his ability to perform his 'magic' anyways my .02 PEACE!!