"don't put x-overs in the doors"!!!
03-19-2009, 02:46 AM
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Yeah,
Take the time and check those cross-overs. If they have been in your door for about a year, with no problems, then you might be o.k.. My mids and tweets still played and sounded good. But when i took them out,after only being there for a month, the service rust on the connectors was brutal. I thought they were done for.They were wet. Like i said we had 2 days of heavy rain, and my doors were dry inside. I thought putting the x-overs in the doors temporarily would be alright. Learned my lesson the hard way. I'm just glad there was no damage.
03-19-2009, 10:30 AM
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I think it depends on where you mount them inside the door.
The bottom (read the aquaduct) and it doesn't matter what car they are in they are screwed there.
High up in the door cavity on the inside skin might be a safe place - it all depends on how moisture gets channeled down - but remember, there is a moisture barrier there for a reason. If you mounted them on the cabin side of the moisture barrier (or sound deadening if applicable), you're fine. But on the door cavity side of the moisture barrier, you're playing Russian Roulette: You could get screwed in the first month, or it might be the twelfth month - there are no guarantees that water won't flow on them.
The bottom (read the aquaduct) and it doesn't matter what car they are in they are screwed there.
High up in the door cavity on the inside skin might be a safe place - it all depends on how moisture gets channeled down - but remember, there is a moisture barrier there for a reason. If you mounted them on the cabin side of the moisture barrier (or sound deadening if applicable), you're fine. But on the door cavity side of the moisture barrier, you're playing Russian Roulette: You could get screwed in the first month, or it might be the twelfth month - there are no guarantees that water won't flow on them.
03-19-2009, 11:59 AM
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Yeah,
Take the time and check those cross-overs. If they have been in your door for about a year, with no problems, then you might be o.k.. My mids and tweets still played and sounded good. But when i took them out,after only being there for a month, the service rust on the connectors was brutal. I thought they were done for.They were wet. Like i said we had 2 days of heavy rain, and my doors were dry inside. I thought putting the x-overs in the doors temporarily would be alright. Learned my lesson the hard way. I'm just glad there was no damage.
Take the time and check those cross-overs. If they have been in your door for about a year, with no problems, then you might be o.k.. My mids and tweets still played and sounded good. But when i took them out,after only being there for a month, the service rust on the connectors was brutal. I thought they were done for.They were wet. Like i said we had 2 days of heavy rain, and my doors were dry inside. I thought putting the x-overs in the doors temporarily would be alright. Learned my lesson the hard way. I'm just glad there was no damage.
They certainly weren't mounted high up on the dry side of the water barrier.
Yes,
But if the trunk is safe enough for the electronic internal parts of an amplifier(s), then it should be safe enough for cross-overs, unless of course your trunk lid leaks.
But if the trunk is safe enough for the electronic internal parts of an amplifier(s), then it should be safe enough for cross-overs, unless of course your trunk lid leaks.
Given the choice, I'll mount the crossovers in the dash, but I have zero issues mounting them on the dry side of the water barrier in a door. I've been doing it for years and have never had a single return on it.
03-19-2009, 05:01 PM
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Where were they exactly in the door? Laying in the bottom of the outer cavity?
They certainly weren't mounted high up on the dry side of the water barrier.
Kind of my point - people put their amps in one of the worst environments in the car (under the seat being THE worst - yet people put crossovers there and think it's a good idea..) yet avoid the inside of the door panel. Makes no sense.
Given the choice, I'll mount the crossovers in the dash, but I have zero issues mounting them on the dry side of the water barrier in a door. I've been doing it for years and have never had a single return on it.
They certainly weren't mounted high up on the dry side of the water barrier.
Kind of my point - people put their amps in one of the worst environments in the car (under the seat being THE worst - yet people put crossovers there and think it's a good idea..) yet avoid the inside of the door panel. Makes no sense.
Given the choice, I'll mount the crossovers in the dash, but I have zero issues mounting them on the dry side of the water barrier in a door. I've been doing it for years and have never had a single return on it.
03-19-2009, 05:25 PM
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I have a nice pic somewhere of a Focal speaker mounted in a plexi baffle in the door of a new RX8, the speaker half covered in water. Yes, there was that much water in the door, well over 5" and the tiny little drains in the bottom of the door could not keep up with the water that was cascading in the top of the door by the mirrors and windows exterior seal. Amazing thing to see, the problem was that much worse when the vehicle was in motion and the water would flow like a river in there. This vehicle we mounted the crossovers in the door and on the interior side of the vapour barrier.
03-19-2009, 07:42 PM
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I have a nice pic somewhere of a Focal speaker mounted in a plexi baffle in the door of a new RX8, the speaker half covered in water. Yes, there was that much water in the door, well over 5" and the tiny little drains in the bottom of the door could not keep up with the water that was cascading in the top of the door by the mirrors and windows exterior seal. Amazing thing to see, the problem was that much worse when the vehicle was in motion and the water would flow like a river in there. This vehicle we mounted the crossovers in the door and on the interior side of the vapour barrier.
Several of you guys have mentioned "vapour barrier" in your replys. when i took my doors apart their was no plastic vapour barrier present.
03-20-2009, 12:44 AM
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03-20-2009, 09:01 AM
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Is there sound deadening there instead?
What type of vehicle is it?
That seems odd that there is no vapour barrier.
03-20-2009, 03:43 PM
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I recall a client coming in with a new car saying he had a system installed in his car downtown, and ever since then his car seats were "damp" inside. I had to take the door panel off to show him that the vapur barrier had been cut/torn by the installer, so as he could install the speakers in the door.
Rob I had to answer those same questions about prices for install, and I simply backed myself up with pics of competition and backyard hacks, as you probably do as well.
