Explain this would ya?
02-03-2008, 01:46 PM
#61
02-04-2008, 09:40 PM
#64
As far as connections go.... heavy duty screw down terminals that are bolted to the frame are as good as it gets..... If you want to compare 10awg leads to cheaper style spring terminals (that apparently cost 15 cents)... well you can't break the leads so if the sub is going to get moved from box to box it could be an advantage.... but you also have to deal with mangled wire that has been twisted/crimped/soldered/taped or plan on cutting....
As for the 10 or 8 awg wire preforming better... anyone who believes that is living in dreamland... The resistivity of carbon steel is about 10x that of copper...... but with such a short connection a plated steel terminal is going to have less resistance then that 10" or 12" run of wire.... (not that the difference would be discernible anyway)
The real reason that 10 or 8 awg wire leads would be used is to make a statement: 'this sub is so big & powerful that it requires massive wire'
Last edited by Haunz; 02-04-2008 at 09:49 PM.
02-05-2008, 12:47 AM
#65
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I've been reconing PA drivers and subwoofers for a number of years... (a little more hands on then choosing parts from a catalog and having someone else do the build)
As far as connections go.... heavy duty screw down terminals that are bolted to the frame are as good as it gets..... If you want to compare 10awg leads to cheaper style spring terminals (that apparently cost 15 cents)... well you can't break the leads so if the sub is going to get moved from box to box it could be an advantage.... but you also have to deal with mangled wire that has been twisted/crimped/soldered/taped or plan on cutting....
As for the 10 or 8 awg wire preforming better... anyone who believes that is living in dreamland... The resistivity of carbon steel is about 10x that of copper...... but with such a short connection a plated steel terminal is going to have less resistance then that 10" or 12" run of wire.... (not that the difference would be discernible anyway)
The real reason that 10 or 8 awg wire leads would be used is to make a statement: 'this sub is so big & powerful that it requires massive wire'
As far as connections go.... heavy duty screw down terminals that are bolted to the frame are as good as it gets..... If you want to compare 10awg leads to cheaper style spring terminals (that apparently cost 15 cents)... well you can't break the leads so if the sub is going to get moved from box to box it could be an advantage.... but you also have to deal with mangled wire that has been twisted/crimped/soldered/taped or plan on cutting....
As for the 10 or 8 awg wire preforming better... anyone who believes that is living in dreamland... The resistivity of carbon steel is about 10x that of copper...... but with such a short connection a plated steel terminal is going to have less resistance then that 10" or 12" run of wire.... (not that the difference would be discernible anyway)
The real reason that 10 or 8 awg wire leads would be used is to make a statement: 'this sub is so big & powerful that it requires massive wire'
You really have quite a background in the speaker repairing business. With your expertise in all phases of the subwoofer/speaker industry your services I am sure are sought after far and wide. "Mangled wire" experts are hard to find. Your knowledge of of metals and "resistivity" will serve you well. You sir know your stuff.
Me, I've been living in a "dreamworld"; you have I am sure forgotten more then than I will ever know about designing, repairing and building subwoofers.
Where should I start correcting your bullshit. First don't tell me about hands on experience.
We (myself and Son) have been in the business of designing, building and OEM for over twenty five years. We build thousands of subwoofers a year in our own build house. We design from the ground up each of our products from start to finish. We design and build studio monitors for the recording industry, car audio subwoofers and mid range speakers. We also design pro audio and home theater systems which we sub out to off-shore build houses.
I have built more subwoofers myself then you will get your hands on for the next 20 years. Are you that stupid to think we implement design changes just for the hell of it? We built speakers with terminals for many years and dealt with the problems associated with them. Do you actually think we would increase our build cost per sub if the old ways were better? It's not about looks. We know from years of experience and testing what works and what doesn't. We were doing this before you were a gleam in your fathers eye. We have a research and developement staff well versed in "resistivity".
For your edification the HDC series subs were designed in house, we sourced the parts to be used by the Chinese build house. The motor is machined to our specs. The coils are custom built to our design. We designed the suspension design and specified the assembly methods, glues and gluing methods. Some people pick parts out of a catalog; we don't. Some people tell the build house to make it look like a DD or AQ.
I have tried to treat you with respect and overlook your immaturity but your use of uneducated off the wall uninformed and vulgar remarks left me no choice but to respond in kind.
Don't waste your time with a response; fix your "mangled wires". Enough is enough.
02-05-2008, 01:23 AM
#66
^ guy... I would THINK that someone who knows as much as you claim to know, would know that speaker wire terminals are coated with PLATINUM and not CHROME.... and that is just a start for this **** match...
I am sorry if I have been brash.... but your blatant ignorance under the auspiciousness of someone 'in the know' and 'in the industry' is unacceptable and frankly pisses me off....
Reconing woofers started when I was 16... (my family has been in the PA bizz for a while blah blah blah, I currently work at a high end car shop, blah blah blah)
I'll guarantee that I have more formal education as it relates to tinsel leads then you can imagine.....
You've got my respect as far as anyone else in the industry goes... but don't think you are going to start talking BS in my home about the resistance of steel vs copper and think I'm going to buy.....
I am sorry if I have been brash.... but your blatant ignorance under the auspiciousness of someone 'in the know' and 'in the industry' is unacceptable and frankly pisses me off....
Reconing woofers started when I was 16... (my family has been in the PA bizz for a while blah blah blah, I currently work at a high end car shop, blah blah blah)
I'll guarantee that I have more formal education as it relates to tinsel leads then you can imagine.....
You've got my respect as far as anyone else in the industry goes... but don't think you are going to start talking BS in my home about the resistance of steel vs copper and think I'm going to buy.....
02-05-2008, 01:33 AM
#67
i dunno bout anyone else, but id like to be able to connect my speaker leads directly to the coil and forget about platinum coated, tin plated, spring, set screw terminals, lowest resistance that way i would think.
02-05-2008, 01:38 AM
#68
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i belive dd is doing somehting right, look at the equip they produce, some of the loudest stuff in the world, i dont see your crazy spl woofer haunz, might as well build one.
Last edited by Mat-Romain; 02-05-2008 at 01:40 AM.
