TWO weeks??? Eighty hours of labour?? Doing what? I think one week would be plenty.


I hope your shop rate is not more than $20 an hour. Otherwise that 80 hours adds up to too much for that install.

you my friend had best get a grip on what it takes to do an install that requires every wire to be techflexed and mounted every 6" as well as sound deaden the entire interior including floor and ceiling and inner and outer doors, as well as fab a new battery tray out of aluminum, powder coat it. do a nice distribution block mount. you can duct tape and half ass you jobs, we dont, and i charge 50/hour and have no problem getting it. if you could build that exact install in one week, i would supply you with the car, the shop all the materials and all the gear and 5 8 hours days to do it by yourself. im not kidding , bring it on big shot, put your skills where your mouth is chump, otherwise, you are just another big mouth that hasnt shown one ounce of your install ability but feels qualified to pass judgement on something you have no ability to do yourself, until such time as you either show something or take me up on my offer, you comments are worthless

Dave, funny you should start busting his balls for his comments considering you pretty much did the same thing to me...............just a little more subtle.............but just as incinuating...................funny huh..........

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Everyone is allowed to have an opinion, If i got pissed at everyone that came across with a snide remark I would have a coronery. Relax who cares what people think or say. Everytime you respond your just pissing gas on the fire.Did you ever think that they just might be doing it because you react the way you do.

tim totally different, i simply asked a question, and never insinuated that you overcharged, besides, htat not busting your balls at all

audiovault, you very well may be right, i always like to err on the side of over reaction, although in this case, i dont think i did, i just gave him a option to back up him statements

Nice job Dave, cept for the seam....do you use Helmatin/Helmaprine adhesive?
I've never had that stuff come off even over 200 degrees.

Damn...I hate that.....two weeks doing a perfect job, and one thing to criticize is all we see.

Do you do your own sewing? I've got some pants that are a bit long.
Just razzin ya.... That's a nice install for 2 weeks. Wish I was that fast.

i have used lots of glue but never that type, but i will give it a shot. over the years i have really gotten to like the baseball seam, i dunno, just me. we have our sewing done by gordons upholstery, we just found out that he has cancer and will be going in to surgery tomorrow to remove a tumor from behind his left, ive noticed it for years but obvi;sly didnt say anything, maybe i should have, if you arent a fan of the baseball seam you isnt gonna like the neon, with the material we used(didnt even stretch one way) there was alot of seams required, but in my car that type of seam is all over the seats from factory so it will be alright

The Car looks fine. But funny how the subject says "finished 05 celica pics" and now when people point out the flaws it now convieniently needs touchs ups..

Why not post the final pics and not take so much heat. [img]tongue.gif[/img] Or change the subject to "almost final pics"


Trunk look Ok, tweeters look horrible with that seam. Why not mount it some place else or use a smaller tweeter. Nicer screws in the tweeter would have made sense also.

Well the grilles (when they go on) should cover the ugly tweeter screws. I personally like the baseball stitching, but to me I don't like the placement of it. If it didn't go under the tweet I would like it better. Another product to try for gluing inside seams (or anything for that matter) is Select Products heat activated glue. It gets plenty hot here (I would say the same or hotter than the Okanogin) but it is dry, so my experience may ot be totally indicative of what would happen there. But I hear alot of shops in the southern U.S. use it, and it never comes apart there, and it is way hotter and humid that Kelowna down there.

Also it is the stuff you can't see that takes time, that's what matters to true professionals, sure any half good installer could slap an install that looks exactly like that together in a few days, but how long would it last and how good would it sound? Also how well would it do in a competition? Probably not very well. The main thing to remember with posting pics of competition cars on the net, and getting brutally honest opinions is that you can use them to maybe change things before a judge ever gets to see it. Heck If I would have seen Gary Biggs car before finals I could have told him his fiberglass seat inserts were crooked! :D

I thought baseball stitching used a herringbone style of stitch? I think a new Audi or something uses that kind of stitching and it doesn't look like that. Why wouldn't the stuff stretch? Is it vinyl or leather? Even leather will stretch if you steam it.