HLCD's Vs. Conventional tweeters
12-13-2003, 02:00 PM
#1
2000 Watt CAFz'r
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ok...a few of us figured we needed a good car audio topic to get rid of all the politcal bs on here as of late, and this is something that i have been asking people on msn lately, so leats hear about it.
Please dont just post "horns". I want to know why, as i am trying to decide a setup for my hot-rod.
Please dont just post "horns". I want to know why, as i am trying to decide a setup for my hot-rod.
12-13-2003, 02:33 PM
#2
Sometimes it just fits the application better. Now that I know someone has a set of USD's for sale here, I'm tempted to get them because then I won't have to build kicks or go through any modifications to make it work.
Oddly enough, HLCD's would fit my car better than building kicks. That's all I was trying to say.
Oddly enough, HLCD's would fit my car better than building kicks. That's all I was trying to say.
12-13-2003, 04:44 PM
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For me HLCD's add a sense of "realism" to the music, they seem to bring the music to life...The dynamics are hard to beat, along with the staging, imaging, and I find they give a better sense of depth to the music. Of course there are cons to HLCD's as well, like a narrower soundstage, and tonality can be a problem as well. I have tried numerous sets of components, in all kinds of kickpannel setups, and door setups, but the instant I heard my first set of HLCD's I knew I'd never go back.
Some people love em, some people hate em, you just have to give them a listen for yourself. And keep an open mind about it, they are totally different from component sets, and sound best when installed and tuned properly. Too many people hook them up, turn them on, and sell them the next day because they expect instant results. Just like a race engine, they need to be tuned to work the best... [img]graemlins/jammin.gif[/img]
[ December 13, 2003, 05:52 PM: Message edited by: Kilowatt ]
Some people love em, some people hate em, you just have to give them a listen for yourself. And keep an open mind about it, they are totally different from component sets, and sound best when installed and tuned properly. Too many people hook them up, turn them on, and sell them the next day because they expect instant results. Just like a race engine, they need to be tuned to work the best... [img]graemlins/jammin.gif[/img]
[ December 13, 2003, 05:52 PM: Message edited by: Kilowatt ]
12-13-2003, 04:47 PM
#5
tough call...
Horns are alot more complicated than they look... to get sounding right and setup properly.
I know with my old setup i needed a very efficient mid range (5-6 inch) to play with my 8's (nd-8's) just to keep up with the horns... horns are very efficient over 100 db on most horns. as much as 109 on some... 5 - 10 watts was more than adequate power for them...
Horns offer far greater low end response compared to conventional domes...I had mine xovered at 900 hz.. than my midranges (focal audiom 6's) from 900-200 and than the nd8's from 200 down.
Very dynamic setup and sounded excellent. however it was a pain in the *** to get em sounding right an eq is deffinately reccomended for horns. Also to cut down throat resonance i would use some deadener... on the horn body itself.
they are a pain to setup as well... some people swear by them though..
i sold em and opted for a conventional component set. as they were alot easier to setup and get sounding good.
i say it totally depends.. if you up to the challenge horns kick ***.... if you want to save some time and maybe even money conventional comps/tweets will be good too.
Kriston
Horns are alot more complicated than they look... to get sounding right and setup properly.
I know with my old setup i needed a very efficient mid range (5-6 inch) to play with my 8's (nd-8's) just to keep up with the horns... horns are very efficient over 100 db on most horns. as much as 109 on some... 5 - 10 watts was more than adequate power for them...
Horns offer far greater low end response compared to conventional domes...I had mine xovered at 900 hz.. than my midranges (focal audiom 6's) from 900-200 and than the nd8's from 200 down.
Very dynamic setup and sounded excellent. however it was a pain in the *** to get em sounding right an eq is deffinately reccomended for horns. Also to cut down throat resonance i would use some deadener... on the horn body itself.
they are a pain to setup as well... some people swear by them though..
i sold em and opted for a conventional component set. as they were alot easier to setup and get sounding good.
i say it totally depends.. if you up to the challenge horns kick ***.... if you want to save some time and maybe even money conventional comps/tweets will be good too.
Kriston
12-14-2003, 09:50 AM
#7
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Pro: Because of their narrow/ beaming nature they can do good things in a car rig IF you can mount them where they need to go
Pro: High efficiency, everyone focuses on loud bass drivers this offsets them.
Pro: They are dynamic
Pro: proven technology (50+ years old)
Pro: I think they can look great in a system
Plus and minus: they give a super-real sound unlike any planar or cone or dome. They draw attention to themselves and that is not natural (as you listen to the symphony do you say 'wow those high notes are pristine'?). They sound a little etched and in a highly reflective car that can be a little too much (people complain about metal tweeters all the time) others will like the clarity.
Con: FREAKING HUGE and nonsymmetrical shaped where can you put them in a car, wait my local dealer can help!
Con: Harsh sound, I have only heard two horn speaker systems that didn’t send me running out of the room (I am very picky on HF drivers) this will vary user to user.
Pro: High efficiency, everyone focuses on loud bass drivers this offsets them.
Pro: They are dynamic
Pro: proven technology (50+ years old)
Pro: I think they can look great in a system
Plus and minus: they give a super-real sound unlike any planar or cone or dome. They draw attention to themselves and that is not natural (as you listen to the symphony do you say 'wow those high notes are pristine'?). They sound a little etched and in a highly reflective car that can be a little too much (people complain about metal tweeters all the time) others will like the clarity.
Con: FREAKING HUGE and nonsymmetrical shaped where can you put them in a car, wait my local dealer can help!
Con: Harsh sound, I have only heard two horn speaker systems that didn’t send me running out of the room (I am very picky on HF drivers) this will vary user to user.
12-14-2003, 11:15 PM
#8
Originally posted by 2xBlown:
Give them 75 watts, turn that **** up and see god.
Give them 75 watts, turn that **** up and see god.
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You wanna talk feeling like you are AT the concert, in the front row! Holy crap those things were efficient. I have yet to hear a car rip that opening guitar riff that those horns did.
12-15-2003, 02:16 PM
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^ That was two channels of your 4080 [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]
I bought three sets of horns after that [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
Then I went through 3 car sI could not fit them in [img]graemlins/freak.gif[/img]
Then I sold them all and have no HLCDs now [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img]
I bought three sets of horns after that [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
Then I went through 3 car sI could not fit them in [img]graemlins/freak.gif[/img]
Then I sold them all and have no HLCDs now [img]graemlins/cry.gif[/img]
