HLCD's Vs. Conventional tweeters
12-20-2003, 11:34 AM
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haha, horns playing from 25 hz. We are talking real horns, not that experimental ice horn that was posted on the net awhile back. Some horns are advertised as playing down to 800 hz, but in the real world most people cross them over a bit higher. I have not heard a horn system that touches the best conventional driver systems I have heard.
12-21-2003, 08:58 PM
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LOL...just like I said, you either love em or hate em... [img]tongue.gif[/img] To each their own... [img]smile.gif[/img]
For me personally I find conventioal speakers lack any sort of life or brevity to them which gives you that sitting right there at the concert/performance feel...I always find myself thinking that I am just listening to speakers...
Here's a poor example of a HLCD and tweet comparison with home audio speakers... I was doing some auditioning a while back with some high end Klipsch's, JM Labs, and Paradigm, speakers and noticed similar results with car horns. Tonally the JM's are sweet as hell, but the soundstage wasn't very focused, and very laid back. It almost seemed as if it was behind the speakers several inches. They were very nice, but I just have a herd time convincing myself that I am listening to an actual performance. Then once the Klipsch's were turned on it seemed like the music instantly came to life, and the soundstage came into focus, a foot or two in front of the speakers. There was no mistaking the center image, right there in front of me. They were more colored than the JM's, but an EQ and a trained ear can help that...
It all boils down to taste, and what you find more important with your music. I love that focused unmistakable soundstage in front of me, not to mention the dynamics. Others preffer acurate tonality which is easier done with conventional speakers.
I myself would take a set of horns over any mid/tweet combo, but thats just me...
For me personally I find conventioal speakers lack any sort of life or brevity to them which gives you that sitting right there at the concert/performance feel...I always find myself thinking that I am just listening to speakers...
Here's a poor example of a HLCD and tweet comparison with home audio speakers... I was doing some auditioning a while back with some high end Klipsch's, JM Labs, and Paradigm, speakers and noticed similar results with car horns. Tonally the JM's are sweet as hell, but the soundstage wasn't very focused, and very laid back. It almost seemed as if it was behind the speakers several inches. They were very nice, but I just have a herd time convincing myself that I am listening to an actual performance. Then once the Klipsch's were turned on it seemed like the music instantly came to life, and the soundstage came into focus, a foot or two in front of the speakers. There was no mistaking the center image, right there in front of me. They were more colored than the JM's, but an EQ and a trained ear can help that...
It all boils down to taste, and what you find more important with your music. I love that focused unmistakable soundstage in front of me, not to mention the dynamics. Others preffer acurate tonality which is easier done with conventional speakers.
I myself would take a set of horns over any mid/tweet combo, but thats just me...
12-21-2003, 10:13 PM
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I've heard a couple systems using ID horns in the past. There were many aspects of the sound I really liked, and if only they would fit in my car, I'd love to own a pair. I could probably get mini-horns to fit, but they would interfere with my pedals, and hang too low. I almost went ahead with a set of CD1-Pro mini horns regardless of my worries, but thought it'd be almost dangerous on the driver’s side. I decided to go with a conventional component set instead.
They do usually require some tuning, and 1/3 octave equalization would be an asset if looking for a very linear response. It depends a lot on the horns as well, even Image Dynamics’ models vary quite a bit in the tuning and attenuation required. The CS1 crossovers help with attenuation, and can usually match the horns quite well with midbass drivers. The first time I heard a set of horns, I was very pleasantly surprised. It certainly is a different listening experience, and can be a fun challenge to integrate into your system. I may consider fiddling with them if I see a cheap set on ebay or something [img]smile.gif[/img]
They do usually require some tuning, and 1/3 octave equalization would be an asset if looking for a very linear response. It depends a lot on the horns as well, even Image Dynamics’ models vary quite a bit in the tuning and attenuation required. The CS1 crossovers help with attenuation, and can usually match the horns quite well with midbass drivers. The first time I heard a set of horns, I was very pleasantly surprised. It certainly is a different listening experience, and can be a fun challenge to integrate into your system. I may consider fiddling with them if I see a cheap set on ebay or something [img]smile.gif[/img]
12-22-2003, 01:42 PM
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Originally posted by Tim Baillie:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dukk:
^ Crap? I don't remember Quart making HLCDs [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Dukk:
^ Crap? I don't remember Quart making HLCDs [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
I like many brands. I do not like Quart.
12-22-2003, 04:23 PM
#26
lols horns playing 25 and up? [img]graemlins/freak.gif[/img]
800-900 for some of the better horns out there... my illusions were xovered at 850...
but man are they the rip your head off with enough power type of speaker [img]tongue.gif[/img]
800-900 for some of the better horns out there... my illusions were xovered at 850...
but man are they the rip your head off with enough power type of speaker [img]tongue.gif[/img]
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