Interesting..
10-04-2003, 08:18 PM
#151
Yankee
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 7
Originally posted by Fat Whacker:
IMO its not up to Onyx to reveal the defect, its up to RE, the company who sold it on their "new" sub. I don't think Onyx has any liability in this situation whatsoever.
IMO its not up to Onyx to reveal the defect, its up to RE, the company who sold it on their "new" sub. I don't think Onyx has any liability in this situation whatsoever.
and pinhead...if you think they can just push the legal system to the side to inform customers then you are seriously misled. That may be ethically correct...and you may have a right to know...but it just does NOT work that way, no matter how pissed off it makes you. And i'm willing to bet that this goes on a lot more than you know of in the other industries you purchase products from. Thing is...you don't know about them so it doesn't bother you.
Give it time, some of this may come to light as time progress'. This was only made public less than two days ago...and on a weekend at that. most business' are closed on the weekend and those involved here are doing damage control only for now.
Patience...
10-04-2003, 09:12 PM
#153
500 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Jul 2002
Posts: 548
Originally posted by alaska:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by pinhead:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by formulator:
Onyx and eD have good quality control and are honest people who actually care about their customers.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by pinhead:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by formulator:
Onyx and eD have good quality control and are honest people who actually care about their customers.
is anyone actually reading and comprehending what has been said in these threads?
Onyx NOR RE can comment on the defect because an NDA was signed. FYI...NDA = NonDisclosure Agreement. What is that? It's exactly what it says it is...it means neither party will disclose any information or they break a legal, binding contract. IOW...if you divulge ANY information...see you in court...and give me your money.
</font>[/QUOTE]An NDA is mutualy signed between the two companies. One of the parties has broken portions of that agreement already by failing to follow through on the removal of the logo. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that be considered breaking the contract and therefore grounds to bypass the NDA.Could it also be possible that the two woofers in fact use the identical parts that have been deemed "defective", hence the reluctance of Onyx to reveal the nature of said deffect?
And could it also be possible that both these fly by night's will dissapear in the wind like so many before them and the great "woofer scandal 2003 will seem kinda silly?
My 6 cents.
10-04-2003, 11:10 PM
#157
500 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 924
"An NDA is mutualy signed between the two companies. One of the parties has broken portions of that agreement already by failing to follow through on the removal of the logo. Correct me if I'm wrong, but wouldn't that be considered breaking the contract and therefore grounds to bypass the NDA"
im fairly certain that one party breaking a part of the contract doesnt dissolve the contract completely, so no neither company can state what this so called "defect" was, ive spent the last like hour reading all the posts on here, and what it comes down to is a bunch of people whining about retarded stuff,
RE didnt sell used products or refurbished ones, regardless of what u might think, the parts in question were never in public use there for ARE BRAND NEW.
the word "DEFECTIVE" was a horrible choice to use, beacause its WAAAAAY too grey its obvious if it were something that was performance altering there would be alot more complaints about the quality of the subs in question, so far i havent read one person on here say "ive had a major problem with my RE sub" its been "well why should i have paid a full price for a new sub when the manufacture got a discounted price on parts?"
i dont personalyl know anything about any of the subs in question, but to the people who have em, are u happy with them? do they sound good? are they loud? would u pay the same price for a comparable driver ? then whats the big deal if thers another companys logo underneath a back plate?
comes down to this, legally this "defect" which is more then likely something as simple as an over/undersized hole that wouldnt accurately allow for an onyx part to fit, but was perfect for an RE part, same as if GM ordered 100,000 165/45/r15 tires, and michelin made up 175/45/r15s by mistake, theres nothing wrong with the tires so why not sell em to honda to recoup the loss?
also RE isnt gonna start doling out refunds of 50% cus they used a part that fit their application perfectly but wasnt 100% for someone else, honestly, grow up, its not a conspiracy, big brother doesnt care about your subs, and really u SHOULD be more concerned about the 14yo kid at mcdonalds not washing his hands after he takes a leak and then makes your big mac....
im fairly certain that one party breaking a part of the contract doesnt dissolve the contract completely, so no neither company can state what this so called "defect" was, ive spent the last like hour reading all the posts on here, and what it comes down to is a bunch of people whining about retarded stuff,
RE didnt sell used products or refurbished ones, regardless of what u might think, the parts in question were never in public use there for ARE BRAND NEW.
the word "DEFECTIVE" was a horrible choice to use, beacause its WAAAAAY too grey its obvious if it were something that was performance altering there would be alot more complaints about the quality of the subs in question, so far i havent read one person on here say "ive had a major problem with my RE sub" its been "well why should i have paid a full price for a new sub when the manufacture got a discounted price on parts?"
i dont personalyl know anything about any of the subs in question, but to the people who have em, are u happy with them? do they sound good? are they loud? would u pay the same price for a comparable driver ? then whats the big deal if thers another companys logo underneath a back plate?
comes down to this, legally this "defect" which is more then likely something as simple as an over/undersized hole that wouldnt accurately allow for an onyx part to fit, but was perfect for an RE part, same as if GM ordered 100,000 165/45/r15 tires, and michelin made up 175/45/r15s by mistake, theres nothing wrong with the tires so why not sell em to honda to recoup the loss?
also RE isnt gonna start doling out refunds of 50% cus they used a part that fit their application perfectly but wasnt 100% for someone else, honestly, grow up, its not a conspiracy, big brother doesnt care about your subs, and really u SHOULD be more concerned about the 14yo kid at mcdonalds not washing his hands after he takes a leak and then makes your big mac....
10-05-2003, 12:30 AM
#158
50 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 204
Tha-Game is totally right.
After reading through this entire post, I think it is well known that no one will get an answer that they want because of the NDA that was signed.
If the product has a warranty on it, if the products have been working, and haven't stopped working due to a manufacture problem, then what does it honestly matter.
Defect is a big word that can turn a lot of things ugly. A defect is an Error, whether it be in size, color, shape, specs, or anything else.
Nothing will ever work 100%, nothing. My dad went to test drive a brand spanking new Ford F350. He wanted me to go down and test it out, the same truck, 20 hours later, no one else drove it... The Starter went Pop.
Hell, I bet the glue that RE used was defective, that cover should have never come off in the first place.
If RE's business truly went down-hill and was in risk of collapsing, then I think the NDA would be breached, but I believe they would change the motors (which they probably already have), before it comes to that.
I worked in a machining plant for a few months and I've seen parts that we're sent back because they didn't pass GM's Quality Control. The so called "defect" on 1,000 parts. A little paint bubble, less than the size of your pen tips... about .8mm. We turned around and sold these so called defective parts to Ford, since it was better than re-grinding down and re-painting the parts.
Enjoy the Winter, and get your testing done for the 2004 Season. I don't think anyone here (at least in SPL) ever qualifies for a Manufacture Warranty since you guys are insane enough to work your subs that much. Honestly. When it comes down do it, I seriously think some of you make this choice:
Keep my Subs in Tact, and get 2nd Place, OR
Blow up Subs and maybe an Amp to High Hell, and get First.... Blow them!
Kevin
After reading through this entire post, I think it is well known that no one will get an answer that they want because of the NDA that was signed.
If the product has a warranty on it, if the products have been working, and haven't stopped working due to a manufacture problem, then what does it honestly matter.
Defect is a big word that can turn a lot of things ugly. A defect is an Error, whether it be in size, color, shape, specs, or anything else.
Nothing will ever work 100%, nothing. My dad went to test drive a brand spanking new Ford F350. He wanted me to go down and test it out, the same truck, 20 hours later, no one else drove it... The Starter went Pop.
Hell, I bet the glue that RE used was defective, that cover should have never come off in the first place.
If RE's business truly went down-hill and was in risk of collapsing, then I think the NDA would be breached, but I believe they would change the motors (which they probably already have), before it comes to that.
I worked in a machining plant for a few months and I've seen parts that we're sent back because they didn't pass GM's Quality Control. The so called "defect" on 1,000 parts. A little paint bubble, less than the size of your pen tips... about .8mm. We turned around and sold these so called defective parts to Ford, since it was better than re-grinding down and re-painting the parts.
Enjoy the Winter, and get your testing done for the 2004 Season. I don't think anyone here (at least in SPL) ever qualifies for a Manufacture Warranty since you guys are insane enough to work your subs that much. Honestly. When it comes down do it, I seriously think some of you make this choice:
Keep my Subs in Tact, and get 2nd Place, OR
Blow up Subs and maybe an Amp to High Hell, and get First.... Blow them!
Kevin
