Interesting..
10-05-2003, 04:15 PM
#201
50 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Apr 2003
Posts: 354
Originally posted by namster44:
BTW who decided to one day take the backing off the sub, I guess someone on the inside must have known something, cuz I don't think that many ppl are going to say "hey I bet you my motor is Onyx under this backing, but the cone says RE"
BTW who decided to one day take the backing off the sub, I guess someone on the inside must have known something, cuz I don't think that many ppl are going to say "hey I bet you my motor is Onyx under this backing, but the cone says RE"
Who decides "lets plug this sub into the wall"
Who decides "lets throw this deck for a prize"
Who decides "lets see how far i can throw this sub"
Who decides "if its going to blow lets make it burn"
Who decides "Death match is a great idea"
Who decides "Magic smoke is cool"
As you can tell I have seen some pretty crazy things, don't get me wrong I don't have anything against it I just know I would of never thought to do any of them.
Just like the things mentioned above whoever pulled the black plate off may of been having the same type of thought process "if it works break it, if its broken break it more" [img]graemlins/@bow.gif[/img]
10-05-2003, 04:21 PM
#202
500 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Aug 2000
Posts: 924
see now if i were nosing around under my hood and found the ford logo stamped on a part that i had never had a problem with in the past what would be the point of getting all mad? sure i paid for a KIA not a ford, but if the part does its job like it should big deal, yes RE screwed up by not milling the onyx logo off the motor, but that doesnt reduce the quality of their product, and u cant honestly say that other companies out there dont do everything humanly possible to cut production costs as low as possible and make as much profit as possible, thats business,
and really theres nothing wrong with a company trying to make as much of a profit margin as possible, now if RE used returned onyx parts, or dangerous parts, or some other true quality affecting part and charged the same amount then i could see where the ethical side gets shady, however, they charged a fair price for a top quality, well performing piece of equipment, that untill now i have yet to hear any complaints on,
the only ones who can be mad are the people at onyx for RE breeching their agreement to grind the logo, thats it
and really theres nothing wrong with a company trying to make as much of a profit margin as possible, now if RE used returned onyx parts, or dangerous parts, or some other true quality affecting part and charged the same amount then i could see where the ethical side gets shady, however, they charged a fair price for a top quality, well performing piece of equipment, that untill now i have yet to hear any complaints on,
the only ones who can be mad are the people at onyx for RE breeching their agreement to grind the logo, thats it
10-05-2003, 04:50 PM
#204
Originally posted by Tha-Game:
the only ones who can be mad are the people at onyx for RE breeching their agreement to grind the logo, thats it
the only ones who can be mad are the people at onyx for RE breeching their agreement to grind the logo, thats it
Gene
10-05-2003, 05:03 PM
#205
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Originally posted by Tha-Game:
see now if i were nosing around under my hood and found the ford logo stamped on a part that i had never had a problem with in the past what would be the point of getting all mad? sure i paid for a KIA not a ford, but if the part does its job like it should big deal, yes RE screwed up by not milling the onyx logo off the motor, but that doesnt reduce the quality of their product, and u cant honestly say that other companies out there dont do everything humanly possible to cut production costs as low as possible and make as much profit as possible, thats business,
see now if i were nosing around under my hood and found the ford logo stamped on a part that i had never had a problem with in the past what would be the point of getting all mad? sure i paid for a KIA not a ford, but if the part does its job like it should big deal, yes RE screwed up by not milling the onyx logo off the motor, but that doesnt reduce the quality of their product, and u cant honestly say that other companies out there dont do everything humanly possible to cut production costs as low as possible and make as much profit as possible, thats business,
10-05-2003, 05:03 PM
#206
2000 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Feb 2002
Posts: 2,474
Originally posted by cujo:
How many people on this thread own RE drivers that they purchased brand new from an authorized dealer?
Also, is RE carried at any storefronts or are they purely online or out of the trunk?
How many people on this thread own RE drivers that they purchased brand new from an authorized dealer?
Also, is RE carried at any storefronts or are they purely online or out of the trunk?
10-05-2003, 05:46 PM
#207
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Join Date: Jan 2001
Posts: 2,026
Originally posted by namster44:
Well it does matter to a bunch of ppl because if are buying Ferrari's and getting defected parts, you are going to be pissed. I know I would be. If they weren't genuine Ferrari parts througout the car it would make ppl furious. Think about this, if you one day looked under your hood and was fixing something and happened to take a cover off or something, and found KIA engraved on the engine headers, I would freak. If it said GM or VW I would be pissed because I bought the car thinking that the car is going to be a Ferrari, in and out and that they could make the same part or whatever without taking the "KIA" off of it.
Well it does matter to a bunch of ppl because if are buying Ferrari's and getting defected parts, you are going to be pissed. I know I would be. If they weren't genuine Ferrari parts througout the car it would make ppl furious. Think about this, if you one day looked under your hood and was fixing something and happened to take a cover off or something, and found KIA engraved on the engine headers, I would freak. If it said GM or VW I would be pissed because I bought the car thinking that the car is going to be a Ferrari, in and out and that they could make the same part or whatever without taking the "KIA" off of it.
(1) Ferrari and Kia/Ford/GM/whatever are not equal quality, so the analogy does not stand because RE and ONYX ARE very close in quality. How about we use the analogy of Ferrari and Lamborghini - both Italian and hand mad engines.
Now if Ferrari makes a 3 litre engine with a piston head 2.5" ID, with a long stroke, and QC says "no, we wanted a piston 3" ID with a shorter stroke. These engine blocks are defective" Then Lamborghini picks them up because they want a 3 Litre engine with a 2.5" ID piston long stroke, I see no problem with that. Both engines put out high HP. The problem is that it wasn't what Ferrari had on the drawing board, while it WAS what Lamborghini had on the drawing board.
Remember, the defect has NOT been mentioned. You do not know that there is or isn't mechanical failure. Possibly just a difference in desired specs for the application. Knowing the quality of sub that RE puts out, I highly doubt that they would purchase a product that was truly faulty or defective. As was mentioned earlier, if the pole piece was supposed to be 7mm and it was 8mm - that would be defective because that was not what was on ONYX drawing board - while RE was designing a sub that required it to have an 8mm. May as well do the sale - its a lot better that way then throw even more stuff in the dump.
Personally, I think it is great that they could make use of a product that was headed for the garbage (and obviously wasn't that crappy because there have NOT been any problems yet).
Yes Fever, I know that I am not allowed to voice my opinion because I do not own an RE product. But don't count yourself a victim until something goes wrong. I doubt the resale of your equipment will be effected by this. Sure, the market is probably unstable now, but as time goes on RE will live up to their known quality and this will all blow over and your re-sale will be back up.
10-05-2003, 06:14 PM
#208
Yankee
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 10
maltesechicken said it best.
The word "defective" was a very poor choice. I'd put money the drivers are not defective, but rather not to Onyx spec for some reason. If they were "defective", most would have already went back for warrenty work.
Both Onyx and RE should have said not to spec rather then defective, since obviously the motors work, and from most peoples testimony, work quite well for RE's application.
I'll make it easy for RE owners who are mad. I'll buy your sub at a discount. I personally have no problem with what happened, and think owning a sub with a RE cone and Onyx motor would be quite interesting. A collectors item almost, as has been stated earlier.
The word "defective" was a very poor choice. I'd put money the drivers are not defective, but rather not to Onyx spec for some reason. If they were "defective", most would have already went back for warrenty work.
Both Onyx and RE should have said not to spec rather then defective, since obviously the motors work, and from most peoples testimony, work quite well for RE's application.
I'll make it easy for RE owners who are mad. I'll buy your sub at a discount. I personally have no problem with what happened, and think owning a sub with a RE cone and Onyx motor would be quite interesting. A collectors item almost, as has been stated earlier.
10-05-2003, 06:15 PM
#209
1000 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Aug 2001
Posts: 1,770
the part that i find really stinks is that onyx is the one threatening to call his lawyer if re says anything
and they have nothing to hide
dosn't add up
and for people to guess if its a failure prone defect or not is just that a guess
or are these companys hiding something that could be very damaging
and i think onyx should have never left it up to re to fix the name on the back plate
if you want a clean name don't let something dirty leave your place
and then blame somebody else for cutting corners and not wiping your name of the slate
sloppy business practice in my eyes
and they have nothing to hide
dosn't add up
and for people to guess if its a failure prone defect or not is just that a guess
or are these companys hiding something that could be very damaging
and i think onyx should have never left it up to re to fix the name on the back plate
if you want a clean name don't let something dirty leave your place
and then blame somebody else for cutting corners and not wiping your name of the slate
sloppy business practice in my eyes
10-05-2003, 06:22 PM
#210
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Join Date: Sep 2002
Posts: 1,093
Okay this thread has gotten to the point where it is Useless without knowing what the defect is.
If RE stated that they were using "defected"
parts, then they surely dont know how to do business. Just look at what it has caused on this board and around the net, just coz of that word.
All of you guys on this board are arguing on behalf of what you guys dont know. Save your time because it is up to the companies to tell us what is going on. All you guys are going to do is repeat your self in different ways and terms.
Some one out there is pissing their pants, and they better give us some explanation ...
SHY
If RE stated that they were using "defected"
parts, then they surely dont know how to do business. Just look at what it has caused on this board and around the net, just coz of that word.
All of you guys on this board are arguing on behalf of what you guys dont know. Save your time because it is up to the companies to tell us what is going on. All you guys are going to do is repeat your self in different ways and terms.
Some one out there is pissing their pants, and they better give us some explanation ...
SHY
