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06-24-2005, 01:48 PM
#1
For you mods to consider and I'm sure that we dealers are probably all on the same page, consider this please.
It is hard enough doing business in Canada with the flurry of net activity from the states these days and it is only getting bigger all the time. I would like to see a outright ban on linking to these sites from all users. This means no more potential customers being turned away by other potential customers who are buying across the line and not supporting us or this forum.
Here is an example of what I mean. This is a current thread. http://www.canadiancaraudio.com/ubb/...c;f=3;t=010983
4links to US based sites and 1 to a Canadian site in one thread of 10 replies to the topic.
Here is another one (and for me it hits close to home). This repsonse is from my guy I would like to throat punch (thanks again Tim). http://www.canadiancaraudio.com/ubb/...c;f=4;t=003177
This is not supporting our dealer network here in Canada at all. Personally I would like to see it acted upon much more aggressively by the mods. Post some replies to this and let's see where it goes from here.
[ June 24, 2005, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: MR2NR ]
It is hard enough doing business in Canada with the flurry of net activity from the states these days and it is only getting bigger all the time. I would like to see a outright ban on linking to these sites from all users. This means no more potential customers being turned away by other potential customers who are buying across the line and not supporting us or this forum.
Here is an example of what I mean. This is a current thread. http://www.canadiancaraudio.com/ubb/...c;f=3;t=010983
4links to US based sites and 1 to a Canadian site in one thread of 10 replies to the topic.
Here is another one (and for me it hits close to home). This repsonse is from my guy I would like to throat punch (thanks again Tim). http://www.canadiancaraudio.com/ubb/...c;f=4;t=003177
This is not supporting our dealer network here in Canada at all. Personally I would like to see it acted upon much more aggressively by the mods. Post some replies to this and let's see where it goes from here.
[ June 24, 2005, 02:53 PM: Message edited by: MR2NR ]
06-24-2005, 01:58 PM
#2
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Sitting wondering if I should say anything on this .................. or does it really matter?!?!?
BTW Rob, I'm supporting you 100% on your proposal. And it would also be nice if it was consistent across Canada as well for *all* dealers. Then again, this is a privately run forum................ so.
BTW Rob, I'm supporting you 100% on your proposal. And it would also be nice if it was consistent across Canada as well for *all* dealers. Then again, this is a privately run forum................ so.
06-24-2005, 02:02 PM
#3
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So you would like a ban on links to US sites but links to Canadian ones are ok? Or a ban to all links to all internet sites? What about links to shop sites? Your www. icon links to your own site 
I can see issues with Solen, Madisound, and Parts Express already as they have a lot of stuff that is not specifically a speaker or amplifier and maybe not available at local dealers.
I can see issues with Solen, Madisound, and Parts Express already as they have a lot of stuff that is not specifically a speaker or amplifier and maybe not available at local dealers.
06-24-2005, 03:09 PM
#4
To a manufacturers site, no, to a e-tailers site yes. To a shop site, yes, until we have a dedicated area for the dealers to post this kind of info that the general public can access but not post questions. Here is an example, ehtically I would never do this as ethics are a huge part of myself and how I run my business. I could have one of my employees spamming the forum posting my web address to any reply. This needs to be prohibited in any form from happening.
What we do need is much the same as a phone book if the site allows this kind of information to be posted. I am fully under the impression, as far as the other thread here in the void we talked about, that we should have a pic of the shop, bays, demo vehicle and name in a dedicated authorized dealer area that the visitor to the thread can read only. We dealers should pay some kind of yearly fee for this, nothing huge but something is better than nothing.
Now any person who has any ability to perform a search function is going to be able to find Tim's shop, Rob's shop, my shop, Derecks house of pain, whatever. The idea here is to keep the visitor to the site a visitor to the site nad not have him leave the site to seek out a authorized dealer.
Now a distributor on the other hand should be able as well to abide by the same rules, however there are very few customers that I think need to find this information. If any one needs the information, it would be a dealer. Generally speakering, I would think that a customer calling a distributor should be handled professionally anyhow and the distributor would recommend a number of differing dealers to contact for pricing etc. Now the only way for the potential customer and visitor to the site would know how to access the distributor is to have basic contact information posted in a read only format again. Both the retailer and distributor info section should be read only with the strict guidelines that all contact info is to be done by PM or by e-mail.
Dukk, a enterprising dealer like myself may not have items available but will always go out of our way to find the part for the need. I think a blanket ban might be the best way to go about things as a starting point only. We can see how things progress as time goes on and the forum grows.
We are all here to do a number of things for the Canadian industry. A while back here in the void we discussed about how we have not been helping out many people who post questions any more. I will aid some people and some people rightly contact me by PM for more info. Some of these people do develop into customers. For the most part though, most of us do not go through the forums anymore and aid people like we used to as all it does is limit these people from going into a shop to get the work done and of course exposing that customer to the products available in that store. Is that store a member of this site, who knows but it pisses me off to no end to know that some dicksmack down the road is purposely sending business across the line when it needs to be sent to a Canadian business.
Tom, thanks for you reply and support. However, I am one that listen more than I speak most of the time. When I do speak, I would hope that people listen (I am used to this...it's called I'm talking - your listening... I will make a damn good cop if they accept me...hehe). Let the pissing contest go dude. There is never a winner on either side. Personally I read right to the heart of what you were trying to say and in my opinion, this was not the place to continue a dispute subliminally. Again, no offence intended but listen to what I have said and re-read what you have written, it could have been stated in a much different non-inflammatory fashion. I beleive that your words do have merit and that sometimes sides are taken, however, even if I disagree with what someone says on this site, it is not mine to say or do otherwise. If I do, I would expect a backhand and if things continued I would feel the noose tightening around the neck. Go with the flow instead of against it and soon that noose will loosen it's grip and all the kids can be in the same sandbox.
What we do need is much the same as a phone book if the site allows this kind of information to be posted. I am fully under the impression, as far as the other thread here in the void we talked about, that we should have a pic of the shop, bays, demo vehicle and name in a dedicated authorized dealer area that the visitor to the thread can read only. We dealers should pay some kind of yearly fee for this, nothing huge but something is better than nothing.
Now any person who has any ability to perform a search function is going to be able to find Tim's shop, Rob's shop, my shop, Derecks house of pain, whatever. The idea here is to keep the visitor to the site a visitor to the site nad not have him leave the site to seek out a authorized dealer.
Now a distributor on the other hand should be able as well to abide by the same rules, however there are very few customers that I think need to find this information. If any one needs the information, it would be a dealer. Generally speakering, I would think that a customer calling a distributor should be handled professionally anyhow and the distributor would recommend a number of differing dealers to contact for pricing etc. Now the only way for the potential customer and visitor to the site would know how to access the distributor is to have basic contact information posted in a read only format again. Both the retailer and distributor info section should be read only with the strict guidelines that all contact info is to be done by PM or by e-mail.
Dukk, a enterprising dealer like myself may not have items available but will always go out of our way to find the part for the need. I think a blanket ban might be the best way to go about things as a starting point only. We can see how things progress as time goes on and the forum grows.
We are all here to do a number of things for the Canadian industry. A while back here in the void we discussed about how we have not been helping out many people who post questions any more. I will aid some people and some people rightly contact me by PM for more info. Some of these people do develop into customers. For the most part though, most of us do not go through the forums anymore and aid people like we used to as all it does is limit these people from going into a shop to get the work done and of course exposing that customer to the products available in that store. Is that store a member of this site, who knows but it pisses me off to no end to know that some dicksmack down the road is purposely sending business across the line when it needs to be sent to a Canadian business.
Tom, thanks for you reply and support. However, I am one that listen more than I speak most of the time. When I do speak, I would hope that people listen (I am used to this...it's called I'm talking - your listening... I will make a damn good cop if they accept me...hehe). Let the pissing contest go dude. There is never a winner on either side. Personally I read right to the heart of what you were trying to say and in my opinion, this was not the place to continue a dispute subliminally. Again, no offence intended but listen to what I have said and re-read what you have written, it could have been stated in a much different non-inflammatory fashion. I beleive that your words do have merit and that sometimes sides are taken, however, even if I disagree with what someone says on this site, it is not mine to say or do otherwise. If I do, I would expect a backhand and if things continued I would feel the noose tightening around the neck. Go with the flow instead of against it and soon that noose will loosen it's grip and all the kids can be in the same sandbox.
06-24-2005, 04:02 PM
#5
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Join Date: Mar 2005
Posts: 253
Originally posted by MR2NR:
To a manufacturers site, no, to a e-tailers site yes. To a shop site, yes, until we have a dedicated area for the dealers to post this kind of info that the general public can access but not post questions. Here is an example, ehtically I would never do this as ethics are a huge part of myself and how I run my business. I could have one of my employees spamming the forum posting my web address to any reply. This needs to be prohibited in any form from happening.
What we do need is much the same as a phone book if the site allows this kind of information to be posted. I am fully under the impression, as far as the other thread here in the void we talked about, that we should have a pic of the shop, bays, demo vehicle and name in a dedicated authorized dealer area that the visitor to the thread can read only. We dealers should pay some kind of yearly fee for this, nothing huge but something is better than nothing.
Now any person who has any ability to perform a search function is going to be able to find Tim's shop, Rob's shop, my shop, Derecks house of pain, whatever. The idea here is to keep the visitor to the site a visitor to the site nad not have him leave the site to seek out a authorized dealer.
Now a distributor on the other hand should be able as well to abide by the same rules, however there are very few customers that I think need to find this information. If any one needs the information, it would be a dealer. Generally speakering, I would think that a customer calling a distributor should be handled professionally anyhow and the distributor would recommend a number of differing dealers to contact for pricing etc. Now the only way for the potential customer and visitor to the site would know how to access the distributor is to have basic contact information posted in a read only format again. Both the retailer and distributor info section should be read only with the strict guidelines that all contact info is to be done by PM or by e-mail.
Dukk, a enterprising dealer like myself may not have items available but will always go out of our way to find the part for the need. I think a blanket ban might be the best way to go about things as a starting point only. We can see how things progress as time goes on and the forum grows.
We are all here to do a number of things for the Canadian industry. A while back here in the void we discussed about how we have not been helping out many people who post questions any more. I will aid some people and some people rightly contact me by PM for more info. Some of these people do develop into customers. For the most part though, most of us do not go through the forums anymore and aid people like we used to as all it does is limit these people from going into a shop to get the work done and of course exposing that customer to the products available in that store. Is that store a member of this site, who knows but it pisses me off to no end to know that some dicksmack down the road is purposely sending business across the line when it needs to be sent to a Canadian business.
Tom, thanks for you reply and support. However, I am one that listen more than I speak most of the time. When I do speak, I would hope that people listen (I am used to this...it's called I'm talking - your listening... I will make a damn good cop if they accept me...hehe). Let the pissing contest go dude. There is never a winner on either side. Personally I read right to the heart of what you were trying to say and in my opinion, this was not the place to continue a dispute subliminally. Again, no offence intended but listen to what I have said and re-read what you have written, it could have been stated in a much different non-inflammatory fashion. I beleive that your words do have merit and that sometimes sides are taken, however, even if I disagree with what someone says on this site, it is not mine to say or do otherwise. If I do, I would expect a backhand and if things continued I would feel the noose tightening around the neck. Go with the flow instead of against it and soon that noose will loosen it's grip and all the kids can be in the same sandbox.
Right in your corner!
To a manufacturers site, no, to a e-tailers site yes. To a shop site, yes, until we have a dedicated area for the dealers to post this kind of info that the general public can access but not post questions. Here is an example, ehtically I would never do this as ethics are a huge part of myself and how I run my business. I could have one of my employees spamming the forum posting my web address to any reply. This needs to be prohibited in any form from happening.
What we do need is much the same as a phone book if the site allows this kind of information to be posted. I am fully under the impression, as far as the other thread here in the void we talked about, that we should have a pic of the shop, bays, demo vehicle and name in a dedicated authorized dealer area that the visitor to the thread can read only. We dealers should pay some kind of yearly fee for this, nothing huge but something is better than nothing.
Now any person who has any ability to perform a search function is going to be able to find Tim's shop, Rob's shop, my shop, Derecks house of pain, whatever. The idea here is to keep the visitor to the site a visitor to the site nad not have him leave the site to seek out a authorized dealer.
Now a distributor on the other hand should be able as well to abide by the same rules, however there are very few customers that I think need to find this information. If any one needs the information, it would be a dealer. Generally speakering, I would think that a customer calling a distributor should be handled professionally anyhow and the distributor would recommend a number of differing dealers to contact for pricing etc. Now the only way for the potential customer and visitor to the site would know how to access the distributor is to have basic contact information posted in a read only format again. Both the retailer and distributor info section should be read only with the strict guidelines that all contact info is to be done by PM or by e-mail.
Dukk, a enterprising dealer like myself may not have items available but will always go out of our way to find the part for the need. I think a blanket ban might be the best way to go about things as a starting point only. We can see how things progress as time goes on and the forum grows.
We are all here to do a number of things for the Canadian industry. A while back here in the void we discussed about how we have not been helping out many people who post questions any more. I will aid some people and some people rightly contact me by PM for more info. Some of these people do develop into customers. For the most part though, most of us do not go through the forums anymore and aid people like we used to as all it does is limit these people from going into a shop to get the work done and of course exposing that customer to the products available in that store. Is that store a member of this site, who knows but it pisses me off to no end to know that some dicksmack down the road is purposely sending business across the line when it needs to be sent to a Canadian business.
Tom, thanks for you reply and support. However, I am one that listen more than I speak most of the time. When I do speak, I would hope that people listen (I am used to this...it's called I'm talking - your listening... I will make a damn good cop if they accept me...hehe). Let the pissing contest go dude. There is never a winner on either side. Personally I read right to the heart of what you were trying to say and in my opinion, this was not the place to continue a dispute subliminally. Again, no offence intended but listen to what I have said and re-read what you have written, it could have been stated in a much different non-inflammatory fashion. I beleive that your words do have merit and that sometimes sides are taken, however, even if I disagree with what someone says on this site, it is not mine to say or do otherwise. If I do, I would expect a backhand and if things continued I would feel the noose tightening around the neck. Go with the flow instead of against it and soon that noose will loosen it's grip and all the kids can be in the same sandbox.
Right in your corner!
06-24-2005, 05:02 PM
#6
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Join Date: Apr 2005
Posts: 758
I would like to see another section put up just for links to candian dealers and shop sites so we don't keep having roughly the same discussion all the time.....
or make it a sticky in the general discussion section.....
[ June 24, 2005, 06:04 PM: Message edited by: BigBubba ]
or make it a sticky in the general discussion section.....
[ June 24, 2005, 06:04 PM: Message edited by: BigBubba ]
06-24-2005, 07:31 PM
#7
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Rob, you have some very valid points and it is deffinatly somthing we can put our heads together on and come to some sort of conculsion on. I don't know what we can to from a technology standpoint to help as it will be pretty tough to monitor just by nuking threads alone.
I also applaud the way you choose to voice your concerns and opinions. Very professional and mature. Thank you.
I also applaud the way you choose to voice your concerns and opinions. Very professional and mature. Thank you.
06-24-2005, 11:50 PM
#8
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Join Date: May 2000
Posts: 2,406
Rob, you like the "throat punch" comment huh
On a serious note, I believe that online sales of car audio in any form or fashion has hurt and will continue to hurt the industry.
When the manufacturer (RF, MTX and others) offer a "B" stock sales site on their home page not to mention a ebay store........................that is just wrong....................I personally am even thinking of no longer dealing with companies that do such a thing........................and these are the ones that promote shutting down illegal internet sales................
enough of my rant.................
On a serious note, I believe that online sales of car audio in any form or fashion has hurt and will continue to hurt the industry.
When the manufacturer (RF, MTX and others) offer a "B" stock sales site on their home page not to mention a ebay store........................that is just wrong....................I personally am even thinking of no longer dealing with companies that do such a thing........................and these are the ones that promote shutting down illegal internet sales................
enough of my rant.................
06-25-2005, 09:01 AM
#9
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Rob - nice post. As mentioned, your posts are well written and thoughtful.
Can I ask you to do something for me? Over the next week can you survey every person that walks through your doors to see if they are a member of CCA or if they have even heard of CCA?
Can I ask you to do something for me? Over the next week can you survey every person that walks through your doors to see if they are a member of CCA or if they have even heard of CCA?
06-25-2005, 10:48 AM
#10
Definitely, actually I recommend this site (and another (the12volt.com) on a regular basis as I am a member of both (and others of course) but these two are where I am primarily found. Some of my customers are already members but I think that we can increase the exposure to the site as well, especially if all dealers work on this. Let me think on a way to do this and see if we can get something for the site at the same time.
