Sasha

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Nah, most people are not content with output of true SQ subs, cause the distortion levels are so low, you cant even hear the subs, it sounds as if front stage is doing all the work, cause they blend seemlessly. That bass punch people love is distortion, and what makes the sub sound loud. There is a downside to SQ subs though, cause the output is still nothing to sneeze at when you have a couple of them, and all the little creaks and rattles really come out, so you need to do a much better job deadening EVERYTHING. I know, I am running two Nobelium 10s right now, and the output sounds much weaker than any other sub, but they rattle everything with ease depending on a techno song. True SQ subs are for older canosours, who shelved their bassheads, and now need balanced sound with no overbearing bass, which most people have come to expect from a sub box.

And when you tune time delay more for yourself by delaying your front driver side speaker, it will sound like *** to your passenger, or a hot chick you want to impress lol. So have two settings on preset. One for you, and one where both front speakers are delayed equally to the sub, so that way it sounds decent for all, and only use the preset for yourself, when you're alone.

King-Kong

That is true deadening is needed , all these other rattles and sounds ruin the whole song.

I just want clean bass , and i dont know how to stop the rattle, my trunks rattle can be heard more then my bass even though there's dynamat on the trunk

fresh1

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i was wondering, wouldn't using time alignment only be beneficial to the person who tunes it? only because the research i've done so far have basically lead me to believe that time alignment plays each speaker in a given sequence, but the person on the end (the driver) will be the only benifactor. i don't mean to start an argument or anything, but as far as i know in terms of musical instruments sealed bass drums are cleaner than ported ones, so i figure sealed box is the way to go.

Sasha

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I've already explained what can be done with two different presets to address this matter.

Sasha

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You probably have no idea what true SQ sub sounds like. You cannot even distinguish it out if the sound of music. If you thought you could hear rattles now, wait till you get SQ subs in, then the rattles come to life lol. With non-strictly-sq subs a lot of the the rattles are drowned out by bass volume, which is actually high distortion, which people mistake for output, as distortion sounds loud to your ears. Distortion also makes for higher db's. You can have similar output from a large cone surface area of SQ subs, but you will not hear them as much, but the force will move and rattle everything in your car just the same, but you will be able to hear it better due to lack of high distortion. I am actually having a hard time adjusting to pure SQ on high volumes. On lower volumes, there are no rattles, and sound is pure bliss, but dont expect to get your head torn off from bass output. To each their own, thats why SQL type subs are very popular. I laugh to myself when people say JL and ID etc has amazing SQ. You cant have 100% SQ and 100% SPL in one sub. Both are opposites of each other. Most subs which people describe as amazing sounding are 50/50, and are the most popular. So, you may have a wrong idea about low distortion subs, and when the maker states their subs are low distortion, you may ask "low distortion compared to what?" Is there a holy grill of low distortion sub everyone could use as reference point? I dont think so. The choices are limitless, and if you;re after SQL, 90% of the market is flooded with subs, that could work, as long as you use them as they were intended.

Sasha

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Thats a can of worms ma man Too many variables to consider if you make such a statement, cause it is not a simple as that in car audio. Amp power, box size, design and set-up mistakes, subwoofer design/limitations, sub excursion, etc, etc, etc. Depends on your application. There are so many variations.

nghtrdr

very nicely put Sasha! thanks for the insight.

fresh1

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ok Sasha, my hat went back on, but again, hats off to you, i missed the part about presets, which is what i assumed would be key if there were custom ones stored, if not then it would take some fine tuning when someone gets in or out. as for the thing with amp power, sub excursion etc. i understand completely, i guess i was just talking about sitting in front of the box and letting it play, but you're right, all variables taken into account will have a definite effect on the sound

Denonite

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Listen you want great SQ bass? Go to your nearest audiophile store and listen to a few top of the line monitors in a sound room. There! you now know what SQ bass sounds like. Now, try and re-create that in your car...easier said than done. You don't need someone to tell you what SQ bass sounds like, you can hear it for yourself, and after many moons and lots of tuning, you may get close to what you heard in the store.