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Old 02-24-2012, 09:03 PM
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Need Help Upgrading Car Audio System

2003 Honda Civic 4dr
Pioneer DEH-P5000ub Head Unit
Kicker RS65.2 Component System Front Speakers (100 RMS each) - 2 Years Old.
Alpine 6-1/2 Co-ax SPS-610 Rear Speakers (Given to me for free so I know they're cheap)
MTX TC4004 - 4 Ch Amp hooked with speakers
Two 10" JL Audio Subs (10w3v3) enclosed in Bassworx (1000 Watts RMS)
Alpine MRP-M1000 Mono Amplifier hooked with Subs

Yellow Top Battery, Proper Wiring (4 Guage, etc), lots of Dynamat already installed, 1 Capacitor installed.


How can I make this system even more LOUDER with good quality sound?

Front speakers used to sound really good two years ago but now they're just OK. Not as loud as they used to be. What should I replace front speakers with? Kicker QS65.2? Can you name any other component system better than Kicker RS/QS65.2? Or any other suggestions?

What should I replace my rear speakers with? RS65.2 or QS65.2? Same as Front? or Should I get Co-ax for rear? What do you recommend?

Since I am going to replace front/rear speakers, Should I replace my 4 ch amp with something better? What should I get? Kicker ZX350.4 or ZX560.4? or something else?

I don't really have to get kicker. I will go for anything that sounds good. It has to sound better than what I currently have. I am not really good with Car Audio System so your help would be much appreciated. Looking forward to see some really good suggestions from car audio enthusiasts. Thank You SO MUCH in advance.
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Old 02-24-2012, 09:59 PM
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All depends on your budget..
I would highly suggest starting by upgrading your front components to a higher end 6.5" set. ditch the rear speakers completely its only drawing away from where the sound should be comming from - in front of you.
then based on what your willing to spend add from there.
If it were up to me id check out the hertz energy and hi energy line for great sound quality that gets loud. top notch build quality far superior to anything you have.

if you want to compeletely overhaul the system heres what id go with..

Hertz ESK 6.5" components (225$) OR hertz HSK hi energy components (325$)
Herz hi energy 12" HX300 subwoofer (350$) also get a custom ported box for the sub to optimize the subwoofer to manufacturer specs. MUCH BETTER than any basic prefab box
This is a high sensitivity sub so you wont need to run your amp at 1ohm and thus save power draining from your stock alt and battery
keep the sub amp as its still a decent subwoofer amp and 1000rms power is gunna be nice to have on tap

upgrade the front stage amp with a nice 2 channel or just keep yours and bridge it and run your front components

That alone will get you sounding MUCH BETTER and far superior sound quality upgrade to what you have for a small budget. This will all depend on what your willing to spend and just how loud you wanna get..
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Thanks for your suggestions. You're right, it all depends on my budget. My total budget is $1000. I really liked SPZ60, Utopia BE, and JBL 660GTi but they're just too expensive. I am looking to spend around $500 for front component speakers, so for that price I guess Kicker QS65.2 would be my best option.

I have never heard of Hertz. How much would it cost me to get Hertz HSK 165? Where can I buy Hertz speakers in Toronto?

For rear, I decided to buy Co-ax. I don't want to spend more than $500 on it. What would be the best 6.5 Co-ax speakers I could get for $500?

If I can't find good 6.5 Co-ax speakers, I guess I can install Kicker RS65.2 for rear speakers? Is it possible to install components in rear? Would that cause any problems such as diverting sound?

Anyone, please help.
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Old 02-25-2012, 07:27 PM
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Focal Performance PC 165 - 6-3/4" 2-way car speakers

What do you guys think of above Focal co-ax speakers? Are they good? anything better than these? Will this fit into 2003 honda civic? Rear speaker size is 6.5.
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How can I make this system even more LOUDER with good quality sound?
If you want louder, not only will you need a higher wattage component setup, you'll need significantly more wattage from the amps. Which will mean you will need another amp. Use the new amp to power a set of higher power handling speakers, use the existing amp bridged to power your existing front speakers in the back now.

You'd be surprised how loud a set of 6.5" components with 1" tweeters can be if you install them properly, and deaden the door appropriately, with 250W per channel, if you get a woofer that can handle that power, and cross it over appropriately, and have a sub to fill in the bottom end. You don't need much, a single 8" or 10" with 400-500W will be more than most need/want.

If you have $1000 to spend I'd spend $600 ish on the amp, and $400 ish on the speakers. And in terms of particular amps and speakers, you really have to hear them yourself. Speakers and amps I may like may not be your favorite. What do you like to listen to? Are you looking for a "soundstage" or more of an all encompassing surround sound?

Personally, I listen to everything from dubstep/D n B, hip hop, rock, and jazz regularly. I tend to like my sound to be more of a surround sound setup than a reference soundstage profile. I tend to prefer warmer over brighter. Yet I like good isolation/separation. To get that, and at loud volumes, usually means I need at least 200W, and 300W per channel up front ideally, and at least 150W, and ideally 200W per channel in the rear to get really thick loud distortion free sound.

I'm a big fan of Scanspeak and Vifa woofers, and Vifa tweeters. They both make woofers that can really push hard/loud, as long you supply them with enough power. But if you want a kit that's ready to go, and won't need you to work out cross overs, I heard a set of Boston Acoustics recently:

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/pictu...&picture_id=-1

They were getting 250W x 2, and I was thoroughly impressed! Frickin amazing mid bass, and loud as hell. And About $400-450 online. Boston Acoustic's high end stuff is like this is great. So is Alpine's. Their top end Type X component setup is about the same price online, and sound amazing and are equally as loud. They seem a little brighter, and perhaps more accurate, but the BAs have a more "natural" sound in my opinion.

Focal stuff worth getting is amazing, but is priced accordingly, again around $1000 for the pair. Much of the stuff under this line in Focal's line up is good, but overpriced for what it is compared to high end stuff like higher end Infinity Reference, Alpine, Boston Acoustic, etc.

Anyways, bottom line, listen to a bunch, buy what sounds good to you.

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Build a better box yourself, ditch the prefab.
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I wish I could hear the speakers before purchasing. Unfortunately, It is hard to find these high end speakers here in shops. I wish I could just go over to states and buy speakers. Best Buy USA has high end speakers but here in Canada, speakers are over-priced. All the sales associates I spoke to at Futureshop or BestBuy have never heard of any high end speakers. After thinking a lot, I guess this is what I want to do:

Boston Acoustics PRO60 SE for front (purchase online, sonicelectronix.com)
Brand New Kicker RS65.2 for rear (find a dealer in GTA to buy these)

I have few questions before I purchase above speakers. I ask because according to Sonicelectronix this won't fit in my civic.

1. Will PRO60 SE components fit in the front of my car?

2. Will RS65.2 components fit in rear of my car? Is it possible to install components in rear? Where will I mount tweeters? etc.

3. Which 4 Channel AMP do you recommend to go with above speakers? I need 125W RMS for each front speakers (total 250 RMS) and 100 RMS for each rear (total 200 RMS). I guess I need a 4 channel amp with a total power of 450 or 500 RMS. Please help, name some good 4 channel amps.

Thanks, a lot. I really appreciate all your help.

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Originally Posted by reypring36 View Post
I wish I could hear the speakers before purchasing. Unfortunately, It is hard to find these high end speakers here in shops. I wish I could just go over to states and buy speakers. Best Buy USA has high end speakers but here in Canada, speakers are over-priced. All the sales associates I spoke to at Futureshop or BestBuy have never heard of any high end speakers. After thinking a lot, I guess this is what I want to do:

Boston Acoustics PRO60 SE for front (purchase online, sonicelectronix.com)
Brand New Kicker RS65.2 for rear (find a dealer in GTA to buy these)

I have few questions before I purchase above speakers. I ask because according to Sonicelectronix this won't fit in my civic.

1. Will PRO60 SE components fit in the front of my car?

2. Will RS65.2 components fit in rear of my car? Is it possible to install components in rear? Where will I mount tweeters? etc.

3. Which 4 Channel AMP do you recommend to go with above speakers? I need 125W RMS for each front speakers (total 250 RMS) and 100 RMS for each rear (total 200 RMS). I guess I need a 4 channel amp with a total power of 450 or 500 RMS. Please help, name some good 4 channel amps.

Thanks, a lot. I really appreciate all your help.
They probably won't fit as a direct "bolt-on", but I don't like using stock speaker mounts anyways. I generally prefer to stack a few layers of 3/4" MDF, and cut rings out of it, as a mount. The density of the MDF makes for a much more efficient and better sounding speaker in the end. So don't worry about it. Just look at 6.5" components, with the separate tweeters, that can handle 150W ish of RMS power. That way they will be able to play loud without distorting, or damaging themselves. Then hit them with 250W+ x 2.

If your rear speakers on up on the rear deck, just mount your tweeters somewhere on the back deck or c-pillar. Generally, I like them facing upwards bouncing off the glass, or in the c-pillars firing towards each other behind the rear passenger heads.

But in my opinion, don't bother with components in the rear. Coax is just fine. Make sure they can handle at least 65W RMS, and hit them with at least 100W x 2.

And like I said, go with at least 250W per channel up front 500W total up front. I don't know many 4 channels with that kind of power per channel to get the "loud" I think you're looking for.. You can get a decent 250-300w x 2 amp for about $450-600 new. Again preference will be in the ear of the listener. I'm a big fan of the sound of Soundstream amps like I said, but some people much prefer other marques. I also like really old PPI amps, old Rockford amps, but that's the sound profile I like.

Since you like Sonic Electronix for the speaker purchase, something like this, bridged to 2 channel, powering the Boston Acoustics, with some rear fill coaxials, with about 100W x 2, and your subs, it should be pretty "loud".

http://www.sonicelectronix.com/item_...l-FPP4100.html

Going over your exisiting components list, I'd say choose the better speakers, or speakers you like better really that you used to run in the front, and put them in the rear. Take your 4 channel, bridge it down to 2, power those speakers in the rear bridged. Get the new Boston's you seem to want to try, and power them with that Focal amp at 240W x 2 (I bet it's under rated and probably more like 250-260W x 2). That's the $1000 or so of your budget that you said you were working on, and like I said, it'd be about $400 ish for speakers that can handle the power, and about $600 for a good sounding amp that will be able to hit them with the appropriate amount of power.

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look in to cdt audio also.



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