opinions on this subs
01-31-2009, 03:55 PM
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opinions on this subs
http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/products/product.php?model=SWE-1043&lang=en&tab=F
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10 098281&catid=20118
best buy has them for $116.99, i was wondering if anyone knows them or can give me their two cents on either one in a sealed box for a cheap thump or my other idea was 2 in a sealed box or maybe ported and beat these for everything they got. they will get beat hard lol
no super expectations but i believe with my amp (see sig) their alot better matched then my infinity's and should have a better combo going this way
any info or suggestions would be great, mainly doing this for fun and to show that the stupid plastic mtx box and reject subs that come with it i installed last night (97 f150 reg cab) arnt as good as my friend thinks
http://www.bestbuy.ca/catalog/proddetail.asp?logon=&langid=EN&sku_id=0926INGFS10 098281&catid=20118
best buy has them for $116.99, i was wondering if anyone knows them or can give me their two cents on either one in a sealed box for a cheap thump or my other idea was 2 in a sealed box or maybe ported and beat these for everything they got. they will get beat hard lol
no super expectations but i believe with my amp (see sig) their alot better matched then my infinity's and should have a better combo going this way
any info or suggestions would be great, mainly doing this for fun and to show that the stupid plastic mtx box and reject subs that come with it i installed last night (97 f150 reg cab) arnt as good as my friend thinks
01-31-2009, 05:48 PM
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Your 2nd URL works, but doesn't take us to a product to look at...
As for the TypeE, they are Alpine's entry level sub. Never heard one in action. But I have a 10" TypeS, that would sound much better if it weren't in a band-pass box.
When you say that you're going to beat hard on them, you mean abuse right? If that's what you'd like to do, then these'll be fine.
As for your amp, it'll output 500W x 1 @ 4 ohm bridged. You will not be able to hook up two of these subs to your amp... The subs are only available in a 4 ohm single voice coil configuration. You could use one sub, and bridge the channels on the amp to give you 500W for that single sub.
If you want two, then you'll either have to step up to a pair of DVC4 Type S, or find another pair of cheap subs that are SVC2, wire them in series for a 4 ohm load, and bridge the amp. But two subs splitting 500W might be harder to abuse than one.
As for the TypeE, they are Alpine's entry level sub. Never heard one in action. But I have a 10" TypeS, that would sound much better if it weren't in a band-pass box.
When you say that you're going to beat hard on them, you mean abuse right? If that's what you'd like to do, then these'll be fine.
As for your amp, it'll output 500W x 1 @ 4 ohm bridged. You will not be able to hook up two of these subs to your amp... The subs are only available in a 4 ohm single voice coil configuration. You could use one sub, and bridge the channels on the amp to give you 500W for that single sub.
If you want two, then you'll either have to step up to a pair of DVC4 Type S, or find another pair of cheap subs that are SVC2, wire them in series for a 4 ohm load, and bridge the amp. But two subs splitting 500W might be harder to abuse than one.
01-31-2009, 06:31 PM
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the amp puts out 202 rms per channel. right now its running my infinitys just fine, one sub per channel. their also in a ported box an thats probably why i get away with it lol.
rms for my amp bridged would be cool to figure out and id look into a better sub like the type s, but it was the low price that interested me.
ive seen write ups about the type s and they do seem to work, do you think 1 type s in a sealed box would be better then the two type e's?
bridged with about a 1 cu ft box?
yes abuse, the two 10 in mtx road thunder 4500 that come in a form fit box i installed lastnight for a friend was a nice looking set up but didnt have that 10 in "hit" you expect. after a few drinks when we finished up he told me that it was hard hitting and blah blah blah, so we made a half buzzed bet that i can spend less and hit harder.
rms for my amp bridged would be cool to figure out and id look into a better sub like the type s, but it was the low price that interested me.
ive seen write ups about the type s and they do seem to work, do you think 1 type s in a sealed box would be better then the two type e's?
bridged with about a 1 cu ft box?
yes abuse, the two 10 in mtx road thunder 4500 that come in a form fit box i installed lastnight for a friend was a nice looking set up but didnt have that 10 in "hit" you expect. after a few drinks when we finished up he told me that it was hard hitting and blah blah blah, so we made a half buzzed bet that i can spend less and hit harder.
01-31-2009, 07:06 PM
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404W is not a bad amount for bass. I was only putting 410W to that single TypeS at four ohms. Now, with the Eclipse sub I bought from MR2NR, the amp is running at 2 ohms, and making 640W available to the new 12" Eclipse.
Well, if you get 4 ohm Type E, and hook them up the same way as your current subs, you'll have the same setup, basically. You won't be able to hook up a pair of TypeE's to your amp for 500W, its impossible. If the TypeE's were available in a 2 ohm configuration, then you could.
Would one TypeS running at 500W @ 4 ohms bridged, be better than two TypeE's running at 202W each. That's a tough call. The TypeS setup would cost you less to do, which would help you prove your point that a cheaper setup can have more punch than his.
You could use just a single TypeE, in a proper box, with the 500W. That'd be impressive if you got it to hit hard. Most of the punch would result from the enclosure though. Keep that in mind.
Well, if you get 4 ohm Type E, and hook them up the same way as your current subs, you'll have the same setup, basically. You won't be able to hook up a pair of TypeE's to your amp for 500W, its impossible. If the TypeE's were available in a 2 ohm configuration, then you could.
Would one TypeS running at 500W @ 4 ohms bridged, be better than two TypeE's running at 202W each. That's a tough call. The TypeS setup would cost you less to do, which would help you prove your point that a cheaper setup can have more punch than his.
You could use just a single TypeE, in a proper box, with the 500W. That'd be impressive if you got it to hit hard. Most of the punch would result from the enclosure though. Keep that in mind.
01-31-2009, 07:44 PM
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i just did the math based on the best buy web site
2 10" type e's in a sealed box=$346.51
1 10" type s in a sealed box=$282.69
so, in the future im buying a bigger amp but untill then, useing a single type s bridged in a very close to spec box should be good with the 404 rms? its not like id ever hear the extra 100 watts anyways so that saves me money on a new amp, i think thats what ill do.
the only thing now is because im underpowered should i put it in a ported box? and just dial it in by ear, he only needs to get shown once and no im not spending $300 just to blow them up, i actually want to put together a system with a hard hitting 10" that didnt cost alot and i may be able to cost costs more like finding something used or making my own box.
2 10" type e's in a sealed box=$346.51
1 10" type s in a sealed box=$282.69
so, in the future im buying a bigger amp but untill then, useing a single type s bridged in a very close to spec box should be good with the 404 rms? its not like id ever hear the extra 100 watts anyways so that saves me money on a new amp, i think thats what ill do.
the only thing now is because im underpowered should i put it in a ported box? and just dial it in by ear, he only needs to get shown once and no im not spending $300 just to blow them up, i actually want to put together a system with a hard hitting 10" that didnt cost alot and i may be able to cost costs more like finding something used or making my own box.
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02-01-2009, 12:58 AM
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Even if you had a TypeS on 404W, you wouldn't be underpowering it, the RMS is 300 at that model level. Keep in mind that bridging your amp will give you 500W to work with, not 404W. You'll need a Dual 2 ohm version. For the sake of the demonstration you want to show your friend, crank up the dials for a minute, then go back to normal operating settings so you amp and sub get along.
I know Alpine has specifications for enclosures for all their woofers. I suggest asking Jalat... He may be willing to give you the internal volume you'd need to create the best hard hitting bass with 500W to work with.
I know it's "only" a 100 watts difference between 404 and 500. But I think you would hear a difference. 500W is 125% more power than 400W. Now, if you were at 1000W and were looking at going up to 1100W, then that same 100W increase would be negligible. I think you will notice a difference of 100W, given the power range you're in.
I know Alpine has specifications for enclosures for all their woofers. I suggest asking Jalat... He may be willing to give you the internal volume you'd need to create the best hard hitting bass with 500W to work with.
I know it's "only" a 100 watts difference between 404 and 500. But I think you would hear a difference. 500W is 125% more power than 400W. Now, if you were at 1000W and were looking at going up to 1100W, then that same 100W increase would be negligible. I think you will notice a difference of 100W, given the power range you're in.
02-01-2009, 09:52 AM
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those sony amps are garbage, i say get an amp that does like 600rms-800rms @ 2 ohms and liven up those infinitys
EDIT: What is the model number of your infinity's? whats the voice coil config? i think you should get a new amp and a new enclosure
EDIT: What is the model number of your infinity's? whats the voice coil config? i think you should get a new amp and a new enclosure
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02-02-2009, 12:43 PM
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the the amp isnt the greatest and i plan on looking into an amp for my subs then just use the sony to power 2 speakers.
the infinitys are 12" 1230w, svc, 300 rms, 4 ohm, i like these and the box that they are in and just someday down the road id like to put more power to them but they work well.
even thought i have to do it anyways, right now its just cheaper to buy a 10" that will work better with the amp them it is to buy a new amp.
the type s with a box it $282.69 after taxes, its not looking like i have the place to build a custom box like i had hoped, so i got thinking that id see what the local shop will charge for a 1 cu ft box, then just bridge it to my junk amp and watch me go lol
i read last night that small sealed boxes are good for spl and control, but i know ported boxes are louder?
im a ported box person so im use to/like the "hit to the chest" feel you get from them. could you really get a louder, harder hit from a built to spec box over even a pre fab ported??? assuming the power is their
the infinitys are 12" 1230w, svc, 300 rms, 4 ohm, i like these and the box that they are in and just someday down the road id like to put more power to them but they work well.
even thought i have to do it anyways, right now its just cheaper to buy a 10" that will work better with the amp them it is to buy a new amp.
the type s with a box it $282.69 after taxes, its not looking like i have the place to build a custom box like i had hoped, so i got thinking that id see what the local shop will charge for a 1 cu ft box, then just bridge it to my junk amp and watch me go lol
i read last night that small sealed boxes are good for spl and control, but i know ported boxes are louder?
im a ported box person so im use to/like the "hit to the chest" feel you get from them. could you really get a louder, harder hit from a built to spec box over even a pre fab ported??? assuming the power is their
02-02-2009, 01:06 PM
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If the pre-fab design is within the range of what will work for the subwoofer, then I think the only advantage a custom box would then have is build quality. However, a pre-fab is generally going to cost a little more than having someone build you a custom box.
I've always thought that a sealed box gave me more of that "hit to the chest" feel.
Greer, break down the pricing on the sub/box combo. Of that $280, how much of that is the TypeS? BestBuy sells them for $160. You should be able to get one from an audio shop for $140. Then a sealed box, built by someone on the board, might cost $60. Sealed is a lot easier to make. You could buy a half sheet of MDF, glue and screws for about $20. And have someone cut and assemble for you. Of course, I'm thinking of an unfinished box, if you want to carpeted or whatever, that'd be extra. But its not necessary. Prime it and paint it to match you car...
I think you could get the TypeS and a custom box under $220. Even if the TypeS was $150, that'd be $169.50 with tax. And a custom box may cost $50, all in.
Do yourself a favor...
http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/products/product.php?model=SWS-1023D
Follow that link. Right at the top of the page is a "store finder". Punch in your postal code. On the next screen it'll show you a map of all the retailers within a certain range, that you can select, of your postal code. Then email some of the stores and see what the price is on a single TypeS, 2ohm + 2ohm. In the future, you'd be able to purchase a 2nd DVC2 TypeS, wire them for a one ohm load, and find at amp that will put out 800W x 1 @ 1ohm. Then you have a pair of decent subs, and a decent amount of power behind them.
If you don't want to email stores, I'll do it for you. I guarantee you can find one for under $140 before tax.
I've always thought that a sealed box gave me more of that "hit to the chest" feel.
Greer, break down the pricing on the sub/box combo. Of that $280, how much of that is the TypeS? BestBuy sells them for $160. You should be able to get one from an audio shop for $140. Then a sealed box, built by someone on the board, might cost $60. Sealed is a lot easier to make. You could buy a half sheet of MDF, glue and screws for about $20. And have someone cut and assemble for you. Of course, I'm thinking of an unfinished box, if you want to carpeted or whatever, that'd be extra. But its not necessary. Prime it and paint it to match you car...
I think you could get the TypeS and a custom box under $220. Even if the TypeS was $150, that'd be $169.50 with tax. And a custom box may cost $50, all in.
Do yourself a favor...
http://www.alpine-usa.com/US-en/products/product.php?model=SWS-1023D
Follow that link. Right at the top of the page is a "store finder". Punch in your postal code. On the next screen it'll show you a map of all the retailers within a certain range, that you can select, of your postal code. Then email some of the stores and see what the price is on a single TypeS, 2ohm + 2ohm. In the future, you'd be able to purchase a 2nd DVC2 TypeS, wire them for a one ohm load, and find at amp that will put out 800W x 1 @ 1ohm. Then you have a pair of decent subs, and a decent amount of power behind them.
If you don't want to email stores, I'll do it for you. I guarantee you can find one for under $140 before tax.
