setting gains
#1
I have always set gains by ear, but I want to try it with a multimeter.
I came accorss this post in the sounddomain forum.
Using V = square_root(P*R) where P is the power in watts, and R is the ohmage configuration of the subs.
My question is, is P the DESIRED wattage or the RMS out that ohm configuration of the amp?
for example, I am running two 1230w's at the moment off a Power Acoustik A1800DB and have the subs wired to 2 ohms...it does 1100 at 2ohms. I want to send 600rms to both subs. So am I going to do V=square_root(600*2) to get the desiered output voltage?
I came accorss this post in the sounddomain forum.
Using V = square_root(P*R) where P is the power in watts, and R is the ohmage configuration of the subs.
My question is, is P the DESIRED wattage or the RMS out that ohm configuration of the amp?
for example, I am running two 1230w's at the moment off a Power Acoustik A1800DB and have the subs wired to 2 ohms...it does 1100 at 2ohms. I want to send 600rms to both subs. So am I going to do V=square_root(600*2) to get the desiered output voltage?
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You are making it too complicated. The best way to set gains is with an oscilloscope. After that the best way I have found just requires a disc such as Autosound 200's test CD 104, with various frequencies recorded at all high bits (loudest possible recording) and at various other levels. For everyday systems I set gains with a 10 dB overlap and use a 1K tone as it is easy to hear the tone change and isn't terribly hard on the speakers. It's really quite simple, set all tone controls that affect midrange frequncies where they normally would be. Then turn all gains on all components all the way down. With the volume low, play the test track, increase the volume till you hear the tone change character. It's super easy to hear, no matter how deaf you think you are, you will hear a change immediately. Back the volume down till the tone goes back to normal. Alot of decks on the market will simply max out the volume without the tone changing so don't worry that you are doing something wrong if the tone doesn't change at this point. Now move on to the next piece of equipment in the signal chain, it could be an eq or crossover or might be an amp. Just make sure to go in order though. Leaving the deck at the volume where the tone changed (or maxed if the tone didn't change) slowly turn up the gain until the tone changes, then back it down till it goes back to normal. Continue this process with every piece of equipment in the system in order. Voila (not wala, that bugs me on the Carsound forum) you have set your gains for your mids. Usually to adjust the subs I just turn it up to blend with the mids.
#3
hmmm... So can we make this a full "gain advice" thread?
My van, with it's four amps and 5v pre-out HU, is a chore to set, I'm constantly fiddling. The volume on the HU goes to 35, right now it's set to be pumpin' full at 30:
- Front preouts are split in two and head to two amps, my RF for my dash, with it's gain set at bull low. And my Alpine V12 for the doors, gain set just off of bull low, just till they blend with the dash speakers nicely.
- My rear amp, a Clarion 4x50 bridged to 2x100, I also have on bull low, but even that is to loud, I had to fade forward on the head unit till they sounded right.
- My sub setup is the toughest, and I'm now super cautious with it if you remember my cooked H2 headaches.... An Orion 1200D, connected to a single H2 12.2 at 1 ohm. Gains roughly at 1:00 ('course you only have to move the gain a smidge for it to make big differences), give or take a bit, there are no markings for reference on it. Cutoff frequency ("Q") I set by ear, playing tones off of the DbDrag comp. cd #7. It's tuned to about 31-33, and the boost is "just barely on", about 9:00, again, no markings for reference.
The sub level on my HU is at it's default, "0", it can go 9 steps down or 9 steps up. I've been wondering if the pre-out gives it's full 5v with it set at "0", or if it doesn't come till you bump it up to 9 steps over. Should I boost it up to 5 or 7 steps over centre, and lower the gain on the amp? I've never tried, but can I read the voltage off the pre-outs with a multimeter to see if it actually is pushing 5v?
[ May 13, 2005, 11:41 PM: Message edited by: GrizZz ]
My van, with it's four amps and 5v pre-out HU, is a chore to set, I'm constantly fiddling. The volume on the HU goes to 35, right now it's set to be pumpin' full at 30:
- Front preouts are split in two and head to two amps, my RF for my dash, with it's gain set at bull low. And my Alpine V12 for the doors, gain set just off of bull low, just till they blend with the dash speakers nicely.
- My rear amp, a Clarion 4x50 bridged to 2x100, I also have on bull low, but even that is to loud, I had to fade forward on the head unit till they sounded right.
- My sub setup is the toughest, and I'm now super cautious with it if you remember my cooked H2 headaches.... An Orion 1200D, connected to a single H2 12.2 at 1 ohm. Gains roughly at 1:00 ('course you only have to move the gain a smidge for it to make big differences), give or take a bit, there are no markings for reference on it. Cutoff frequency ("Q") I set by ear, playing tones off of the DbDrag comp. cd #7. It's tuned to about 31-33, and the boost is "just barely on", about 9:00, again, no markings for reference.
The sub level on my HU is at it's default, "0", it can go 9 steps down or 9 steps up. I've been wondering if the pre-out gives it's full 5v with it set at "0", or if it doesn't come till you bump it up to 9 steps over. Should I boost it up to 5 or 7 steps over centre, and lower the gain on the amp? I've never tried, but can I read the voltage off the pre-outs with a multimeter to see if it actually is pushing 5v?
[ May 13, 2005, 11:41 PM: Message edited by: GrizZz ]
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