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Old 11-07-2008, 11:08 AM
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What's your thoughts on this?

This is an email reply back from a company that sells/upgrades HO alts in canada. What's your thoughts on this?
Well I will throw you a paddle because you are up a creek. You have a very special regulator in your alternator, and it makes it difficult do anything with the alternator. Best bet is to change it over to a Denso square wire unit, as they are higher output, and produce tons at idle. Down side to this is the cheapest price I have found on the unit is $550, so far. Waiting for few others to call back.

Do not use Yellow Tops, they are a warranty looking for a place to happen. We recommend either the Deka Intimidator or the Odyssey lines. Sears platinum AGM batteries are also relabelled Odysseys, at below my cost as an Odyssey Dealer. The Intimidators I can do for $200. I would keep the battery you have now, and add the new battery to right before your caps in the trunk. This will make a huge difference on how your system works.

I will let you know if I find a lower price on the alternator.
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:05 PM
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My friends and I run Yellows. No problems with anyone. Odysseys are awesome but cost a lot. Did not know about rebadged Sears being Odysseys, not sure about that. Could be true though, but I personally would go for an Odyssey for piece of mind. No comment about the alt situation. With the power you're running, adding another battery would be overkill for sure. Do it if you want, it will cost you, but the upgrade in performance will be mediocre at best. Your stock under the hood does not look to good to me though capacity wise, but could be good enough if still works fine.
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:23 PM
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My friends and I run Yellows. No problems with anyone. Odysseys are awesome but cost a lot. Did not know about rebadged Sears being Odysseys, not sure about that. Could be true though, but I personally would go for an Odyssey for piece of mind. No comment about the alt situation. With the power you're running, adding another battery would be overkill for sure. Do it if you want, it will cost you, but the upgrade in performance will be mediocre at best. Your stock under the hood does not look to good to me though capacity wise, but could be good enough if still works fine.
Ya I hear all positive feedback with regards to the Yellow Tops. I was curious as to why this fellow is against them. Ahh well. Ya I think Odyssey is overkill for what I need... I think he recommended using a second battery since my current battery bay is so small and won't fit most regular sized batteries, and I have side terminals. I'll try to find one that fits under the hood. Ya the battery definately needs replacing as it's over 6 yrs old. Anyhow, thanks Sasha for comments! Much appreciated once again.
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looking at your sig, you dont even need a bigger alternator.

what you need a really good battery and some 1/0 wire with properly done grounds all thru out the car.
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Old 11-07-2008, 02:56 PM
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Ya I was thinking the alt would be suffeciant enough as well Yuli... but from what others have said, and doing some research online... it's suggested I use at least a 140amp (at idle) to make full use of the system. If there's not much imporvement with a new battery I may go with 1/0ga wire next... and from there the last step would be a new alt. i guess. Also based on what I have been told, the ga wires I'm using already should do.
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4 ga bro? nah that's not close enough to sufficient.

proper battery and proper wiring with adequate gauge wire is what you need.
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Old 11-07-2008, 03:48 PM
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4 ga bro? nah that's not close enough to sufficient.

proper battery and proper wiring with adequate gauge wire is what you need.
hmmm... we'll I guess I'll see what the difference the new battery does first and might try the 0ga. I'd be lucky to get 2ga set in. Only prob is there isn't enough room alongside the interior car trim to fit that size cable.

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Old 11-07-2008, 04:38 PM
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hmmm... we'll I guess I'll see what the difference the new battery does first and might try the 0ga. I'd be lucky to get 2ga set in. Only prob is there isn't enough room alongside the interior car trim to fit that size cable.

Yellow Top has side terminals, and I am pretty sure they have a smaller size for you. Manufacturers list battery group for your car as a guideline, it doesnt mean you cannot use a different size battery. If I wanted to ask a seller if my car would take a YT, he would look at the computer and say "no", but it fits and works fine with lots of room to spare. I can fit easily Odyssey 1500 as it is about the same size as YT, and still have room to spare, I may even be able to squeeze a 1750. These are just examples. You can measure yourself the dimensions of your battery holding case, and go from there. And you will notice a diff from a bigger and newer battery. Also, with what you have 4awg is just fine for that 1200 watt amp, as the amp will likely not draw anything more than that wire can safely pass which is anywhere from 125 amps to 175 amps depending on the length of it, and I doubt that amp will pull more than 125 amps. An upgrade to a bigger gauge wire will still yield benefits all around. If 0awg is too big to use in your car, try getting a 2 gauge, and that will be enough up to around 200 amps and will give nice breathing room for the electrical system, however, in your case will be overkill, but overkill has nothing but benefits here. If you have a properly working alt, you dont need a new one, higher capacity battery will work miracles.

Yuli made good suggestions too.

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Old 11-07-2008, 07:24 PM
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Yellow Top has side terminals, and I am pretty sure they have a smaller size for you. Manufacturers list battery group for your car as a guideline, it doesnt mean you cannot use a different size battery. If I wanted to ask a seller if my car would take a YT, he would look at the computer and say "no", but it fits and works fine with lots of room to spare. I can fit easily Odyssey 1500 as it is about the same size as YT, and still have room to spare, I may even be able to squeeze a 1750. These are just examples. You can measure yourself the dimensions of your battery holding case, and go from there. And you will notice a diff from a bigger and newer battery. Also, with what you have 4awg is just fine for that 1200 watt amp, as the amp will likely not draw anything more than that wire can safely pass which is anywhere from 125 amps to 175 amps depending on the length of it, and I doubt that amp will pull more than 125 amps. An upgrade to a bigger gauge wire will still yield benefits all around. If 0awg is too big to use in your car, try getting a 2 gauge, and that will be enough up to around 200 amps and will give nice breathing room for the electrical system, however, in your case will be overkill, but overkill has nothing but benefits here. If you have a properly working alt, you dont need a new one, higher capacity battery will work miracles.

Yuli made good suggestions too.
The 2ga. is only an upgrade if 1.) you have the proper terminal ends whether at the battery or at the amp 2.)If the amp draws that much current. like sasha said that amp probably doesn't draw more than 125 maybe not even more than 100 which would be about half what 4ga. can safely handle. I think Yuli is to used to running 5k in a car lol. lets remeber that amp is a 1000 watts at probably 14.4v in a perfect world. Real world were probably closer to 800-900 watts @ 13.5v
The guy from above probably had a bad experience with yellow tops and it probably was his fault but he chooses to blame the battery. I've only seen one yellow top go down, ever and it was because a customer left it on a charger for 3 days on the start car selection which it clearly tells you not to do in the instructions

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I agree with yuli, you dont need a HO alt for that small a powered system. I run my 3k with stock alt, and an orbital extreme purple haze battery and 4 runs 1/0 in my neon... I have dimming but not so bad, and I had a 12 farad cap, but did nothing.... alt would be over kill and waste of money I think.
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