Where to buy Clarion in Canada?
07-28-2009, 11:17 PM
#21
You still don't get it do you. If you work for a living, wait until someone comes to your boss and says, I can supply workers for you at 50% less, that is 2 for 1. But the workers don't have the same expertise, service and support that you offer now. Then if there is a issue it is going to cost you more to service it. Good deal though isn't it, 2 for 1. Your employer agrees and you are out of a job..... or do you think your employer places value in the employees he has and says hit the road to the guy offering the deal to him..... CDN dealers provide value for the investment that they make and obviously you have no appreciation for the work that we do and quite possibly if you are employed, you don't value your employer either. Stay in school and take some business courses so you can at least present a somewhat feasable arguement that can be legitimatly discussed.
FYI, I for one won't match a price on a discontinued out of warranty, repaired and sold with a 90 day warranty cd player bought out of the somewhere in the US from who knows who either. Sure the stuff has to get sold somewhere and if you are looking in the toilet for a toilet price, you found it. You get what you pay for. I value my $ and the service that I provide to my customers.
FYI, I for one won't match a price on a discontinued out of warranty, repaired and sold with a 90 day warranty cd player bought out of the somewhere in the US from who knows who either. Sure the stuff has to get sold somewhere and if you are looking in the toilet for a toilet price, you found it. You get what you pay for. I value my $ and the service that I provide to my customers.
07-29-2009, 12:08 AM
#22
You have officially blown this way out of proportion. What service and support? I do all my installs myself. I dont need help to figure out how to install or setup things, there are hundreds of ways to find this information out. If there was a company in Canada that sold competitively priced audio equipment they would be doing well ( an internet based site ).
You and I see value as differently as is the case. I am working for my money that I earn. Why would I work twice as long to get the same product. For the chance that maybe one in 50 products I buy may have a technical problem, and you will be there to help me? I can check online to figure out almost every possible fix that is able to be done by any non-electrician. Do you include in your cost free fixing from an in house electrician during the entire warranty period? More than likely not, but that would be the only way it is fair.
You want to provide better staff with more information, that will allow you to sell more since people know you have an honest, well educated workforce. You do not in return hike up the prices and say "Well we do this and this better". At the end of the day, people want equipment, not an opinion because you can get that for free.
Youll never convince me that you provide an invaluable service that suggests reason for the sometimes ridiculous price markup from *most* Canadian dealers. I know you have changed alot of peoples minds, or you wouldnt be in business. Good for you, I hope you continue to do well.
By the way I asked about any deck close to that, and they had nothing under $200. I did not ask only about "clearance toilet price products."
You and I see value as differently as is the case. I am working for my money that I earn. Why would I work twice as long to get the same product. For the chance that maybe one in 50 products I buy may have a technical problem, and you will be there to help me? I can check online to figure out almost every possible fix that is able to be done by any non-electrician. Do you include in your cost free fixing from an in house electrician during the entire warranty period? More than likely not, but that would be the only way it is fair.
You want to provide better staff with more information, that will allow you to sell more since people know you have an honest, well educated workforce. You do not in return hike up the prices and say "Well we do this and this better". At the end of the day, people want equipment, not an opinion because you can get that for free.
Youll never convince me that you provide an invaluable service that suggests reason for the sometimes ridiculous price markup from *most* Canadian dealers. I know you have changed alot of peoples minds, or you wouldnt be in business. Good for you, I hope you continue to do well.
By the way I asked about any deck close to that, and they had nothing under $200. I did not ask only about "clearance toilet price products."
07-31-2009, 01:10 PM
#23
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My take on it...
Vendors; If that is the case with car audio say so. The warranty, service argument doesn't hold water. Are Canadians paying 20% of the purchase price to have warranty and good service while Americans get it for free? Of course not.
It simply costs more to do business in Canada. The business owner's share of employee income tax and fuel are two things.
In the electronics industry, including car audio, dealers have to buy from distributors not directly from the manufacturer. Depending on the product the dealer may only have one choice on where to buy. Distributors are free to put whatever markup percentage they want on a product. That is where price differences start in Canada. Most of the large distributors are US owned and have no incentive to cut Canadian pricing. For every unit they sell in Canada they sell ten in the US. If Canadians won't buy the product in Canada they go to the US and get it. Either way the product gets sold.
I was in the computer business. Most times my customers were paying as much more in taxes than they were in profit. By the time I closed the doors I was lucky to make 12% on larger items. I could make 400% on an $2 cable but you have to sell a lot of those to pay the rent.
Way2slo; I partially agree with your outlook. My truck is from the US because I saved $8000+, about 20%, after all fees. It does have a warranty. This is partially because I am in Atlantic Canada and car dealers here try to sell for MSRP, won't negotiate and don't care if you go somewhere else. At least that is the impression I get.
I really don't see that much difference in car audio pricing from established dealers. You shouldn't compare a fly by night eBay dealer to someone who has an established business in Canada. The eBay dealer has very little overhead and no financial commitment to his customers. He doesn't care if you ever buy from him again. You also can't compare online only dealers like Crutchfield to brick and mortar stores. An online dealer doesn't have to keep inventory. The inventory you see is based on what their distributor has. When they sell an item it is drop shipped from the distributor to you. A store with inventory has to buy it then resell it. If they don't sell it, to bad there are usually no refunds. If you can return it there is a restocking fee that is higher than your profit margin.
Here's an example of a deck from two vendors in US and Canada, both US owned.
Alpine iDA-X303
Best Buy US: $224.99 US / $243.20 CAD
Best Buy Canada: $249.99 CAD
Crutchfield US: $169.99 / $193.63 CAD
Crutchfield Canada $249.99 CAD
There is about a 20% difference but as a Canadian we do have to add shipping and any legal customs duties, not courier brokerage. In the end there are no real savings on this particular HU.
The example you gave that showed a $130.00 difference may or may not be valid. Canadian dealers tend to post MSRP pricing and sell for less. It is not the best sales practise. Canadian dealers have a small audience. They rely on the customer paying the 'sticker' price but you can negotiate this to a point. He still has to make a profit. US dealers have 10 times the potential customers so they attract them by advertising low prices. That is why Canadian businesses can't justify the large web sites that US businesses can. It costs us just as much or more to build and maintain the site with 1/10 the potential customers. 1/10 is being generous because in real life a US site has the world as potential customers where a Canadian site is lucky to attract Canadian buyers let alone international customers.
Originally Posted by Way2slo
Originally Posted by FrankB
Dump people are needed they clean bathrooms and stuff .He is a dummy but thats what makes the world go round LOL
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That is the most long winded post I've ever written on any forum.
07-31-2009, 01:22 PM
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Join Date: May 2007
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I know that with vehicles including motorcycles, ATVs and parts the statement you made is exactly what happens. For example, Yamaha Canada charges it's dealers more for some parts than the retail price from dealers in the US.
Vendors; If that is the case with car audio say so. The warranty, service argument doesn't hold water. Are Canadians paying 20% of the purchase price to have warranty and good service while Americans get it for free? Of course not.
It simply costs more to do business in Canada. The business owner's share of employee income tax and fuel are two things.
In the electronics industry, including car audio, dealers have to buy from distributors not directly from the manufacturer. Depending on the product the dealer may only have one choice on where to buy. Distributors are free to put whatever markup percentage they want on a product. That is where price differences start in Canada. Most of the large distributors are US owned and have no incentive to cut Canadian pricing. For every unit they sell in Canada they sell ten in the US. If Canadians won't buy the product in Canada they go to the US and get it. Either way the product gets sold.
I was in the computer business. Most times my customers were paying as much more in taxes than they were in profit. By the time I closed the doors I was lucky to make 12% on larger items. I could make 400% on an $2 cable but you have to sell a lot of those to pay the rent.
Way2slo; I partially agree with your outlook. My truck is from the US because I saved $8000+, about 20%, after all fees. It does have a warranty. This is partially because I am in Atlantic Canada and car dealers here try to sell for MSRP, won't negotiate and don't care if you go somewhere else. At least that is the impression I get.
I really don't see that much difference in car audio pricing from established dealers. You shouldn't compare a fly by night eBay dealer to someone who has an established business in Canada. The eBay dealer has very little overhead and no financial commitment to his customers. He doesn't care if you ever buy from him again. You also can't compare online only dealers like Crutchfield to brick and mortar stores. An online dealer doesn't have to keep inventory. The inventory you see is based on what their distributor has. When they sell an item it is drop shipped from the distributor to you. A store with inventory has to buy it then resell it. If they don't sell it, to bad there are usually no refunds. If you can return it there is a restocking fee that is higher than your profit margin.
Here's an example of a deck from two vendors in US and Canada, both US owned.
Alpine iDA-X303
Best Buy US: $224.99 US / $243.20 CAD
Best Buy Canada: $249.99 CAD
Crutchfield US: $169.99 / $193.63 CAD
Crutchfield Canada $249.99 CAD
There is about a 20% difference but as a Canadian we do have to add shipping and any legal customs duties, not courier brokerage. In the end there are no real savings on this particular HU.
The example you gave that showed a $130.00 difference may or may not be valid. Canadian dealers tend to post MSRP pricing and sell for less. It is not the best sales practise. Canadian dealers have a small audience. They rely on the customer paying the 'sticker' price but you can negotiate this to a point. He still has to make a profit. US dealers have 10 times the potential customers so they attract them by advertising low prices. That is why Canadian businesses can't justify the large web sites that US businesses can. It costs us just as much or more to build and maintain the site with 1/10 the potential customers. 1/10 is being generous because in real life a US site has the world as potential customers where a Canadian site is lucky to attract Canadian buyers let alone international customers.
Be careful when critiquing other's spelling. In this case your should be you're and im should be I'm.
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That is the most long winded post I've ever written on any forum.
Vendors; If that is the case with car audio say so. The warranty, service argument doesn't hold water. Are Canadians paying 20% of the purchase price to have warranty and good service while Americans get it for free? Of course not.
It simply costs more to do business in Canada. The business owner's share of employee income tax and fuel are two things.
In the electronics industry, including car audio, dealers have to buy from distributors not directly from the manufacturer. Depending on the product the dealer may only have one choice on where to buy. Distributors are free to put whatever markup percentage they want on a product. That is where price differences start in Canada. Most of the large distributors are US owned and have no incentive to cut Canadian pricing. For every unit they sell in Canada they sell ten in the US. If Canadians won't buy the product in Canada they go to the US and get it. Either way the product gets sold.
I was in the computer business. Most times my customers were paying as much more in taxes than they were in profit. By the time I closed the doors I was lucky to make 12% on larger items. I could make 400% on an $2 cable but you have to sell a lot of those to pay the rent.
Way2slo; I partially agree with your outlook. My truck is from the US because I saved $8000+, about 20%, after all fees. It does have a warranty. This is partially because I am in Atlantic Canada and car dealers here try to sell for MSRP, won't negotiate and don't care if you go somewhere else. At least that is the impression I get.
I really don't see that much difference in car audio pricing from established dealers. You shouldn't compare a fly by night eBay dealer to someone who has an established business in Canada. The eBay dealer has very little overhead and no financial commitment to his customers. He doesn't care if you ever buy from him again. You also can't compare online only dealers like Crutchfield to brick and mortar stores. An online dealer doesn't have to keep inventory. The inventory you see is based on what their distributor has. When they sell an item it is drop shipped from the distributor to you. A store with inventory has to buy it then resell it. If they don't sell it, to bad there are usually no refunds. If you can return it there is a restocking fee that is higher than your profit margin.
Here's an example of a deck from two vendors in US and Canada, both US owned.
Alpine iDA-X303
Best Buy US: $224.99 US / $243.20 CAD
Best Buy Canada: $249.99 CAD
Crutchfield US: $169.99 / $193.63 CAD
Crutchfield Canada $249.99 CAD
There is about a 20% difference but as a Canadian we do have to add shipping and any legal customs duties, not courier brokerage. In the end there are no real savings on this particular HU.
The example you gave that showed a $130.00 difference may or may not be valid. Canadian dealers tend to post MSRP pricing and sell for less. It is not the best sales practise. Canadian dealers have a small audience. They rely on the customer paying the 'sticker' price but you can negotiate this to a point. He still has to make a profit. US dealers have 10 times the potential customers so they attract them by advertising low prices. That is why Canadian businesses can't justify the large web sites that US businesses can. It costs us just as much or more to build and maintain the site with 1/10 the potential customers. 1/10 is being generous because in real life a US site has the world as potential customers where a Canadian site is lucky to attract Canadian buyers let alone international customers.
Be careful when critiquing other's spelling. In this case your should be you're and im should be I'm.
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That is the most long winded post I've ever written on any forum.
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