What do noobs want?
 

For dbdrag events, what can we do to encourage more noobs..

please post as well and give any ideas you have..

Me personally, mini Street is a good idea, gives noobs a chance to compete within the noobs!! find out who the king of the noobs is :P

to me mini street is useless now that ther is bass race.

Bass Race is getting really big in the U.S. Of the two options there, I think that would be the better choice.

a fuse class for the noobs. where you have to use a certain size fuse right on your battery wire. if that fuse blows, your running too high for that class and you must move up. this will make it fair for the guys that are running 50/60 amp systems instead of running against guys with 1000plus amp systems.

That would be MECA

i didnt vote but i'd go with mini street.

I would suggest less Drama. A noob just wants to have some fun, not come and get blasted with 'OMG noob, you just got beat by xxx'.

It has been like that at almost every event I have gone to in the last 3 years. Even in places like Calgary and Saskatoon.

Thats just my $0.02 and I havea feeling I am gonna get flamed for it...

*sets silverbane on fire*

Uhhhhh ...

*insert nervous laughter here*

I think mini street would be a good idea

This is the same thing I said on another forum: the posts I read here are what scare me away from going to any SPL competition. I don't want to go hang out with a bunch of immature guys who scoff at anyone who hasn't done as well or doesn't have as much experience. That's not to say that all SPL competitors are like that (I have met some very nice ones, mostly in the US) but most of them give me that kind of impression.

But isn't that common with most things? Its the testosterone talking.

Trying to be the "best" at something, be it car audio, sports, etc, etc is basically a big dick waving contest.

You can call it immature. You can call it lack of humility. But it all comes down to the same thing really.

Lower costs even if it means a cutback in the trophies/prizes for the noob division.
i.e. Printed certificates of their official score plus a small prize for recognition would be fine.
(I personally don't need some trophy I have nowhere to put.)
A system where even daily drivers are competitive, with that whole fuse idea.
A shot at actually placing in a top 5 ranking instead of 3.

take out the rules get some beers and just have fun. maybe have a pro with a mind that doesnt have to think he's the best and just lose to the rookie just to bump there self a steam up a little. or make it close or something. i dont know Just have some daily system comps, not just burps..... personally i dont do comps for the sole reason i just dont give a **** how loud someone else system is. as long im the loudest and i know and everyone else knows im good.

but thats just me. I think Yuli wants to lose to rookies. maybe we can bring him back to earth....stiring the pot.....

wow.. i've never heard of anyone rubbing it in rookies faces when they lost, that would def stop people from coming back.. where did this happen?

I am definetly an SPL rookie, although I have competed in some local shows before, this is my first year in DB Drag. I loose pretty much everytime I go out but I don't have a problem with it. I have never had any of the guys tell me that I suck or that I should go home. They are very helpful in giving me little tips and tricks, even helping with box design. So for all of you who think that no one wants rookies in DB Drag you are dead wrong!!

lol did you just make all that up?? this has never happend in the last 3+ years that i've competed.

Id have to agree with Memphis mike, I go, knwoing there is a good chance Im not going to win, but watching and leanring and just hangin out with a few nice guys and teams is more what its about!! I have gone to SEVERAL shows and Not competed, just to watch and learn and laugh!! ITs not all about winning or loosing, its just having a good time!!

And Yuli is also right, I have never seen anyone purposely make a joke out of someone cause there gear is not up to par!! EVER, regardless of it being cspl,db drag, or anywhere!!

Maybe I need to go to some US shows1!?

Because if it doesnt/didnt happen to you, it didnt happen at all?

Center of the universe much? lol

Well that's coming from somebody who's actually been to a shitload of competitions, vs. somebody who is afraid to go based on inferred internet-based conclusions...

I don't think he means that it's never happened to him... :eyes:

He's been to a LOT of shows. Hell, a few of the people who have already posted in here have been to a ridiculous number of shows. (I've been to a fair number myself) and I think I can safely say that this hasn't happened when I've been there or any one of the "regulars". If we see a guy who is at a show and is giving his best we will do everything we can to help them out.

I think Neils (Ligeia) comments are based on what he's seen from some of the SPL competitors on the forums. To say that we're all like that is very unfair.

brother i've been competing for some time now and i've probably forgotten about more shows than you have been to. When i was a noob this never happened to me, nor have I seen this happen to any other noobs at any shows ever and I've must have been to hundreds of shows, i think 30 this summer alone. yet, i am to see what it is you are talking about.

perhaps what you are meaning to say is that you would be affraid this would happen to you? i dont know if thats your own insecurity or what, but people who are affraid of loosing and cry about being beat without even entering the competion shouldnt even bother - stay home and watch cartoons. I find alot people worry too much about their ego gettin hurt.

I was asked to do some spl metering at the Toronto Integra Club meet the other day and you would be surprized how many people did not want to meter their cars. It was free and it was not a competition. Some of these guys were crying that there is no point of metering their spl b/c someone else is probably louder anyways - remember, this was not a competition and these guys were still crying about not being loud enough.

the way i really feel is who cares about noobs and making it easy for them to enter the competition scene. if you want to compete you will do it anyways, there are a whole bunch of examples of what im talkin about just from around here alone, im not gonna name them.

there was no mini street or rookie category of any sort when i started. i had to compete and loose by 15 - 20 db's, hey look im still competing i didnt go commit a suicide. once again, there is a great number of people who i can name who went thru the same thing.

what other sport do you know off that has categories for people who dont like loosing too much? can you imagine that in pro boxing? if you whine and bitch enough you will get to fight another whiny bitch just like you.

I have never been to a car audio competition and will likely never go to one. So yes, you have probably forgotten about more shows than I have been to. Of course, old age could be affecting your memory.

I have absolutely zero insecurities of losing or crying in any way shape or form. I choose to not go to events because I have no desire to. I used to play around with car audio as a little hobby. Was never into it as a serious hobby nor as a competitor. Oh and there is nothing wrong with cartoons.

My point was simply that because something hasn't happened to YOU, doesn't mean it hasn't happened to anyone else. Speak from your own experiences and not FOR others. As well, the LOL at the end of the post should have implied to you that it was just a joke and I was simply kidding around. I dont know if thats YOUR own insecurity or what, but lighten up a little and laugh :) It does the body good.

if that was a joke it was not funny. It seemed to me like you were backing up the dude who was talking outta his ass

*shrug* Meh, to each their own

Coming from a noob, Mini Street.

I can guarantee you the main reason there is no noobs is because its kind of an elite-ist sport, where people pour tons of time and money to achieve high scores then just not touch there setups. Since no one wants to bother trying to crack the surface and even break 150 without just buying a ton of gear, few noobs even see fit to try.

Yes, Jordy. Like usual, you're good at cutting through the BS. By no means did I intend to infer that all SPL competitors are like that (in fact, I think I said otherwise), but my impressions haven't been too positive on this forum. I have no doubt that people could be entirely different in real life at competitions, but imagine for a moment that prior to going to a competition you come online to see what the people are like or connect with others who share the same interests....then you read some of the posts here and lose interest.

u know what u do then - stay home and watch cartoons

Exactly my point, Yuli.

I know im gonna stay home and watch cartoons:) with my kids... but only till Sept 9th :p

u crying before even going to a show. doesnt matter what kind of rookie class is offered people like you wont even be there.

I don't think classes have anything to do with it, as I mentioned above. It's the attitude. "Don't come then." Ok, I won't. Obviously you don't want people there that badly.

my attitude or your attitude? b/c my "dont come then" is obvously triggered by your comments that were based on nothing. so far, you are the only one who has said anything about noobs being picked on and im guessing you havent been to a single show. well, with an attitude like that you might as well stay home and watch cartoons. cuz if you do come, all you gonna do is whine and cry about loosing and how unfair everything is and how you should get first without trying.

u do not even know what happens at car audio competitions, yet you have a negative view and opinion of it as a noob. buddy, its your attitude.

I want people that badly? why would i want anything or anyone? i dont own the sport nor do i make money from it. I could always deal with less crying and bitching tho. If a competative attidude scares you, good luck in life.

so do you want people to ask you to come? lol dude really, go watch some cartoons.

its all fun and games

Until somebody loses at an event

this guy needs to go away :appl:
ligeia is messed
go away

From what I've seen, the noobs usually get shitty answers on the forum, but not always. In fact, most of the people here are very helpful, but their jokes while funny to their group of friends, to the new kid may be scary.

At the events from what i have seen (even though i haven't talked to everyone) people are very friendly and helpful... I talk to a couple people from this forum on and off of it, they have been VERY helpful!

I think 'noobs' just need a real dumbed down manual of what they need to compete, like an FAQ almost.

When a sport doesn't encourage growth, it dies. We have to remember, this is a business for many people as well, and even they don't encourage growth......

From the shows I've been too it seems like a core group of people and very few new people coming out. I goto shows, i don't compete and yes, people have talked about that.

I would say i am a noob coming back into the sport, and while my position on the forum may play a roll in it, i would say i have had some people welcome me to the sport and educate me while others have scoffed / laughed and talked .

There are a few passionate people who truly do what they do for the love of the sport, they have that contagious bug where they make others want to be involved too... i would say Yuli is one of them. Now if he cut out some of the sarcastic responses online, he would likely do even more for the sport. But it's not his roll to fix it or make it right...

what I think
 

Theres comments made from people that don't even support the sport take a walk. I started doing some shows in 2003 124.?db. 2004 redid my system 137.6 db is what i started at. The scores I do now is cause I have gotten in to see what I can pull off with what I have not to beat any one but it is a competition so people win and lose. I have lost many of times and still do. a comment was said it's about fun hell ya I have gone places where for any other reson whould not have gone to have met some great people. Mini street is a good idea for people that can't afford to go big nor can afford to use the vehicle just for spl.


Some noobs Know me so to the newbies I say this to you It has not happen to me personaly but hey if you lose and the guy that beats you and they rub it in and gloat brush it off cause they won't last long true Spler's don't respect that sort of thing I feel

^^^ yep, look at the 2x, for the most part when someone was eliminated they shook hands, congradulated their opponent and that was that. Not much gloating or boasting going on. Hell yuli smoked me i went over and hugged the guy just for jokes. When I eliminated mike meuller we shook hands, he congradulated me on my first ever not in testing 150 and told me he loves competing against me because me and him are so close it makes it fun and keeps him busy working to get louder. My first show i got killed by like 8 db's but it was all in fun. Online everyone has a different persona than in person. Yuli, among others is one of the most helpfull people you'll ever see at a show. Always helping the new guys get louder, never brings an attitude to the show, and NEVER boasts or gloats. Don't ever beleive that someone's online personality is how they are in real life.