bottomfeeder

I wholeheartedly agree. Not an option for those of us who really like to feel the music. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]

bottomfeeder

Only whales might hear em, but I can feel em.

Starterwiz

I suppose so, however the same thing might be said for ported boxes as well.

Not all of us can afford the kilowatts of power, huge wiring, upgraded alternators, and multiple subs required to get sufficient SPL out of traditional sealed enclosures.

Loud, Low, or Clear. Those are the qualities of any sub that one must choose to buy, or to sacrifice, when designing bass into a budget.

It's fine to want to feel the infrasonic bass, but if you sacrifice 6 to 10 dB at the all important 30 to 60 Hz range, in order to achieve the same gains at 15Hz, the overall "feel" is just not the same.

I have an IDMAX-12 in a 2 3/4ft box, tuned to 28HZ, that gives a pretty good "feel" down to 15HZ. Maybe 4 or 5 DB down at that level in-car, and I have a subsonic filter in the system.

I'm only using 190 watts to the sub, so my over-all sub/amp/install cost just breaks $1k.

bottomfeeder

I suppose so, however the same thing might be said for ported boxes as well.

Not all of us can afford the kilowatts of power, huge wiring, upgraded alternators, and multiple subs required to get sufficient SPL out of traditional sealed enclosures.


Loud, Low, or Clear. Those are the qualities of any sub that one must choose to buy, or to sacrifice, when designing bass into a budget.

It's fine to want to feel the infrasonic bass, but if you sacrifice 6 to 10 dB at the all important 30 to 60 Hz range, in order to achieve the same gains at 15Hz, the overall "feel" is just not the same.

I have an IDMAX-12 in a 2 3/4ft box, tuned to 28HZ, that gives a pretty good "feel" down to 15HZ. Maybe 4 or 5 DB down at that level in-car, and I have a subsonic filter in the system.

I'm only using 190 watts to the sub, so my over-all sub/amp/install cost just breaks $1k. </font>[/QUOTE]The thing with the cyclones I'm using is they only need 150 watts to play to full excursion. They also play down to 11 hz. They thrive in the subbass region. Their ultra efficient design definitely doesn't tax my electrical system on my Camry.

Starterwiz

Breathe...breathe in the air...don't be afraid to care.

I hear ya Dave. There really is nothing like perfection. Still haven't "felt" the bass I used to get at a good Supertramp concert.

There's something about ultra low frequencies that evokes emotions
, heightens awareness levels, and stirs raw energy.

Not everyone is multisensory, or at least not concious of it, hence the disparity in opinions, as to whether the removal of "inaudible" notes is worthwhile.

If I wasn't on a budget, I'd have a couple of good 10's sealed, a ton of power, and go from DC to light....
As it is, I'll be the "barefoot cobbler", and settle for the next best thing (and also what sells). [img]tongue.gif[/img]

[ September 28, 2005, 09:03 PM: Message edited by: Car Trek ]