How much equipment is enough?
10-30-2003, 06:01 AM
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Put it on Ebay.
The other thing I'd have to throw out there is that if you have a zillion hours to perfect your placement, VERY minimal tuning should be necessary. That means you should be able to get away with close to nothing in the signal path processing wise. Often preached, seldom done.
The other thing I'd have to throw out there is that if you have a zillion hours to perfect your placement, VERY minimal tuning should be necessary. That means you should be able to get away with close to nothing in the signal path processing wise. Often preached, seldom done.
10-30-2003, 01:39 PM
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^ THAT I cannot agree with more. I do not like EQs. With RTA measurement in the dumpster then I would suggest that a 4-7band parametric eq should be the maximum anyone would ever need in a car.
I have built a few cars with zero EQ and they have done VERY well in SQ competition. I will concede that the electronic xover was very useful in tuning the car though. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
Sure if you want the big prize at Finals you may need all the gizmos and processing 'maybe'. Still need to have a damn good sounding car first though.
I have built a few cars with zero EQ and they have done VERY well in SQ competition. I will concede that the electronic xover was very useful in tuning the car though. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
Sure if you want the big prize at Finals you may need all the gizmos and processing 'maybe'. Still need to have a damn good sounding car first though.
10-31-2003, 08:05 AM
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BUT......... further to what I have said above, I'm embarrassed to say that the EQ-ing in my truck is insane [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img] But I'm hoping a few little tricks will help that issue out. If they work, I'll try sharing some of them here for a good laugh or two.
Long story short, lazy man buys P9 combo so he no have to spend months perfecting placement for his one seater SQ vehicle............
However, of you are building a two seater SQ vehicle (sounds good from both driver's side and passengers side) you cannot get away with processing and win in my opinion. You MUST spend the time with placement and the zillions of hours setting it up and listening to it techincally and sonically and then making changes and so on and so on. That means metering it, listening to it tonally, insuring staging and imaging are on, etc, etc many many times over. That's what seperates the awesome cars from the good cars. The real men that don't give up........ some will continue to fiddle forever until it's spot on while other concede that, well, this sounds good enough cause I'm tired of f***-ing with this thing (actual words heard often by me when watching someone do this sort of thing).
Ok, one more thingy. When tuning, make sure you are good to go.......... and what I mean by that is that you not influenced by booze, coffee etc, etc............ that you are well rested. And do it in intervals. Don't try tuning for hours on end. Take breaks and do something else and come back to it. Also, find another set of good ears or you'll end up doing what I've done a few times........... spent way to long a time tuning and ended up convinced myself it was awesome until my brother inlaw (who has good ears) told me it sounded like garbage in a number of areas.
Yes, this should be starting to form a picture. An awesome SQ car has a HUGE amount of time invested. Galactic amount of time. Even more if you cut corners and have to go back and fix those short cuts.
Ok, I'll shut my pie-hole now [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
[ October 31, 2003, 09:07 AM: Message edited by: dawgsbreakfast ]
Long story short, lazy man buys P9 combo so he no have to spend months perfecting placement for his one seater SQ vehicle............
However, of you are building a two seater SQ vehicle (sounds good from both driver's side and passengers side) you cannot get away with processing and win in my opinion. You MUST spend the time with placement and the zillions of hours setting it up and listening to it techincally and sonically and then making changes and so on and so on. That means metering it, listening to it tonally, insuring staging and imaging are on, etc, etc many many times over. That's what seperates the awesome cars from the good cars. The real men that don't give up........ some will continue to fiddle forever until it's spot on while other concede that, well, this sounds good enough cause I'm tired of f***-ing with this thing (actual words heard often by me when watching someone do this sort of thing).
Ok, one more thingy. When tuning, make sure you are good to go.......... and what I mean by that is that you not influenced by booze, coffee etc, etc............ that you are well rested. And do it in intervals. Don't try tuning for hours on end. Take breaks and do something else and come back to it. Also, find another set of good ears or you'll end up doing what I've done a few times........... spent way to long a time tuning and ended up convinced myself it was awesome until my brother inlaw (who has good ears) told me it sounded like garbage in a number of areas.
Yes, this should be starting to form a picture. An awesome SQ car has a HUGE amount of time invested. Galactic amount of time. Even more if you cut corners and have to go back and fix those short cuts.
Ok, I'll shut my pie-hole now [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
[ October 31, 2003, 09:07 AM: Message edited by: dawgsbreakfast ]
10-31-2003, 02:38 PM
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"However, of you are building a two seater SQ vehicle (sounds good from both driver's side and passengers side) you cannot get away with processing and win in my opinion."
And thus the basis for my statements. Two seat SQ cars rule. [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]
And thus the basis for my statements. Two seat SQ cars rule. [img]graemlins/headbang.gif[/img]
10-31-2003, 06:17 PM
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Tom, I think you made a really valid point about being in good condition to tune. I think a lot of us end up doing our "critical" listening at night after we've worked all day. Maybe we could all get more out of a tuning session if we had fresh ears and minds to work with.
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