Tim Baillie.

If you say so...................

Tim Baillie.

A****ingmen...................if everyone here thinks that this isn't true needs to set up a subjective ABX test and listen.............taking a deck out and putting in another one.........yeah you might hear a difference but it is more like you THINK you hear a difference..............

Go into a box store, take 8 copies of one CD, play it in 8 different decks and set the volumes to all the same level, turn off all the eqs, and processing, then switch between them all......................just humor me, yourselves.........whoever............you won't hear it............

Anyone here can come to my store and I will set it up and I will bet $1000 you won't hear a difference.............

Reider

A****ingmen...................if everyone here thinks that this isn't true needs to set up a subjective ABX test and listen.............taking a deck out and putting in another one.........yeah you might hear a difference but it is more like you THINK you hear a difference..............

Go into a box store, take 8 copies of one CD, play it in 8 different decks and set the volumes to all the same level, turn off all the eqs, and processing, then switch between them all......................just humor me, yourselves.........whoever............you won't hear it............

Anyone here can come to my store and I will set it up and I will bet $1000 you won't hear a difference............. </font>[/QUOTE]That's great.

When I listen to music on sound boards, I just take it for what it's worth because I"m not familiar with what it's supposed to sound like.

Of coarse you won't notice a difference if you only listen to it once on the board and then switch it with 8 different decks (that are relatively similar) and this is for a number of reasons.

For one.. a lot (if not all) of the decks are made in the same year... Some people only change their HU every 5 years or so. For instance...5 years ago some decks weren't even equipt with a 1bit d/a converter.. where as now there are 24bit dac's / lower impedence(duel digital etc). 2volt preouts that were maybe 1v... now there are what? 8v and in some cases 16v? (eclipse). And that's not mentioning better technology put into the decks as a whole.

If I went into a box store and listened to 8 different pioneers I probably wouldn't notice much of a difference because a lot of them are so similar...(unless you hooked up the p9 and compared it to a lower end deck or something) the biggest difference is in looks and options. Howe4ver, if you compared that 2v or 4vt pioneer to an eclipse with 8v and 24bitdac and you have a trained ear with a familiar system, you should be able to notice a difference.

I don't see how your experiment could even be valid. There are how many people in this thread alone that have stated they can notice a difference between decks in most cases (but not all). We can't all be wrong.

Problem is that we don't listen to our music in box stores, we listen to it in our cars on our own setups... everyday... for years...

You can't compare apples and oranges, it just doesn't work that way.

[ March 30, 2004, 01:33 AM: Message edited by: DaFeared ]

PEI330Ci

I spend 6 weeks away from my car at a time, so your above statement applies to me.

Yes I agree to some extent that you come to accept faults in the system over time. But, when a system sounds like crap to me, it eats away at me until I fix it.

Adam

Reider

Okay what about the guy that kept losing by 10-15 points.. then changes his HU and then starts winning by 17 rather than losing by that much? You mean to say that it's all just luck? a coincidence? I think not.

Furthermore.. Why would SQ competetors even bother upgrading their HU's every year if the technology didn't improve SQ? Spending $1,000 +..... Why wouldn't we all just stick to 1990 $50 cheapo's??? (yes I know a lot of people upgrade for looks and features too)

My old pioneer didn't even have a 1 bit dac, and I upgraded to a 1 bit dac and I noticed the difference. It was a fair bit IMO. What about lower impedence? I'm not saying one little thing will make the sound noticable... it's everything combined.

Furthermore, I"m not arguing that you will notice a different sound between all decks... usually just decks that are reasonably far apart. technologially. (Or so I"ve noticed anyways)

Thats not all.. Back to the argument on CD's.. producers are getting better equiptment in order to record their music a lot better.. along with the improvement in HU technology such as dac's, lower impedence etc, one would have to at least be open to the suggestion that we are moving closer to being able to reproduce the studio recording the way it was intended to be heard...

But who knows.. maybe the 90% of us in here that truely believe there is a difference, are off our rockers.... if so I appologize... but at the same time, I know what I hear.

Reider

Ditto, I"m picky as well

Mark_ab

It's difficult to judge what had the effect. I've heard many stories of judges being swayed by the equipment used, in both good and bad ways. Try listing your speakers as JVC in the competition and see if your scores go down magically, even though the only thing you change are your speaker grilles.

Because most competitors believe their investment is worth it, regardless of whether or not it actually is?

So if you listen to 5 different HU's, each with differing DAC's you'll be able to hear the difference? What does a 24bit DAC sound like compared to a 1 bit? If the resulting analog signal is the same, why would they sound differently?

The public demand, on a general note, is for louder music. Clipped signals (using 0db as a reference point) are prevalent even within most country music arenas, let alone rap or rock. No one likes to utilize the full swing of their HU's volume control, apparently.

I'd say the average is higher than that.

Are you sure?