HU effect
03-30-2004, 03:50 PM
#51
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Originally posted by DaFeared:
Furthermore.. Why would SQ competetors even bother upgrading their HU's every year if the technology didn't improve SQ? Spending $1,000 +..... Why wouldn't we all just stick to 1990 $50 cheapo's??? (yes I know a lot of people upgrade for looks and features too)
Furthermore.. Why would SQ competetors even bother upgrading their HU's every year if the technology didn't improve SQ? Spending $1,000 +..... Why wouldn't we all just stick to 1990 $50 cheapo's??? (yes I know a lot of people upgrade for looks and features too)
03-30-2004, 04:03 PM
#52
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Yeah, like I"ve already stated, if they are the same year models like ie. pioneer, sony or something, then I can definitly see them all sounding the same... or very very close...(unless there is a large difference between the low end and highest end unit)... Which I totally agree with..
I"m sorry.. I was just pointing out that from 5 years ago till now I could notice a change because the DAC's were crap.. so from going from them old dac's to the 1bit, there is definitly a difference.. but if you compare the 1bit to the 24bit there shouldn't be a difference... As far as preouts.. I said this three times and i'll say it agian.. I never said they would make or break the SQ system, I was just saying they were one of the components that MIGHT be one of the many possible contributors.. but considering you guys are talking about head units in the same year, the pre outs should be the same, just with a different voltage rating.
Hope this was clear enough...
I"m sorry.. I was just pointing out that from 5 years ago till now I could notice a change because the DAC's were crap.. so from going from them old dac's to the 1bit, there is definitly a difference.. but if you compare the 1bit to the 24bit there shouldn't be a difference... As far as preouts.. I said this three times and i'll say it agian.. I never said they would make or break the SQ system, I was just saying they were one of the components that MIGHT be one of the many possible contributors.. but considering you guys are talking about head units in the same year, the pre outs should be the same, just with a different voltage rating.
Hope this was clear enough...
03-30-2004, 04:12 PM
#53
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^ hm - your opinion seems contrary to the fact that the many of the 'best sounding' CD players are older: Alpine 7909, Pioneer M8, Clarion 9255, Nak-45z (old design), RF 8340, Sony 910... [img]graemlins/dunno.gif[/img]
Most people do not consider 1bit D/As superior in any respect except cost savings.. Personally I don't care but it's true.
Sounds like your old CD player was a piece of crap.
Also, aside from specialty recordings, common opinion is that CDs are getting poorer production and quality wise. Snoop just ain't like Hammer
Most people do not consider 1bit D/As superior in any respect except cost savings.. Personally I don't care but it's true.
Sounds like your old CD player was a piece of crap.
Also, aside from specialty recordings, common opinion is that CDs are getting poorer production and quality wise. Snoop just ain't like Hammer
03-30-2004, 04:16 PM
#54
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Dukk... I know many of the best sounding CD players are older... I said there are always exceptions.. (maybe not in the last post, but in the 3 before it)..
Yeah.. well I had an old pioneer p-600.. so yah, it wasn't the best of HU's...
Oh really...why are CD's getting poorer SQ-wise? (Or why would people tend to think that?) I don't know myself if they are or aren't (matter of factly), I"m just curious as to why you say that..
Yeah.. well I had an old pioneer p-600.. so yah, it wasn't the best of HU's...
Oh really...why are CD's getting poorer SQ-wise? (Or why would people tend to think that?) I don't know myself if they are or aren't (matter of factly), I"m just curious as to why you say that..
03-30-2004, 04:22 PM
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Originally posted by DaFeared:
Okay what about the guy that kept losing by 10-15 points.. then changes his HU and then starts winning by 17 rather than losing by that much? You mean to say that it's all just luck? a coincidence? I think not.
Maybe the judge was looking at his brand names?
Furthermore.. Why would SQ competetors even bother upgrading their HU's every year if the technology didn't improve SQ? Spending $1,000 +..... Why wouldn't we all just stick to 1990 $50 cheapo's??? (yes I know a lot of people upgrade for looks and features too)
Most competitors do not upgrade every year. Also in 1990 the deck that is $500 now cost $1000.
My old pioneer didn't even have a 1 bit dac, and I upgraded to a 1 bit dac and I noticed the difference. It was a fair bit IMO. What about lower impedence? I'm not saying one little thing will make the sound noticable... it's everything combined.
what did it have? a 0 bit dac?
Furthermore, I"m not arguing that you will notice a different sound between all decks... usually just decks that are reasonably far apart. technologially. (Or so I"ve noticed anyways)
what do you mean by technologically advanced? decks have basically the same part since they came out way back when.
Thats not all.. Back to the argument on CD's.. producers are getting better equiptment in order to record their music a lot better.. along with the improvement in HU technology such as dac's, lower impedence etc, one would have to at least be open to the suggestion that we are moving closer to being able to reproduce the studio recording the way it was intended to be heard...
Producers mix songs so they will sound good on ****ty average systems not high end stuff.
But who knows.. maybe the 90% of us in here that truely believe there is a difference, are off our rockers.... if so I appologize... but at the same time, I know what I hear.
Okay what about the guy that kept losing by 10-15 points.. then changes his HU and then starts winning by 17 rather than losing by that much? You mean to say that it's all just luck? a coincidence? I think not.
Maybe the judge was looking at his brand names?
Furthermore.. Why would SQ competetors even bother upgrading their HU's every year if the technology didn't improve SQ? Spending $1,000 +..... Why wouldn't we all just stick to 1990 $50 cheapo's??? (yes I know a lot of people upgrade for looks and features too)
Most competitors do not upgrade every year. Also in 1990 the deck that is $500 now cost $1000.
My old pioneer didn't even have a 1 bit dac, and I upgraded to a 1 bit dac and I noticed the difference. It was a fair bit IMO. What about lower impedence? I'm not saying one little thing will make the sound noticable... it's everything combined.
what did it have? a 0 bit dac?
Furthermore, I"m not arguing that you will notice a different sound between all decks... usually just decks that are reasonably far apart. technologially. (Or so I"ve noticed anyways)
what do you mean by technologically advanced? decks have basically the same part since they came out way back when.
Thats not all.. Back to the argument on CD's.. producers are getting better equiptment in order to record their music a lot better.. along with the improvement in HU technology such as dac's, lower impedence etc, one would have to at least be open to the suggestion that we are moving closer to being able to reproduce the studio recording the way it was intended to be heard...
Producers mix songs so they will sound good on ****ty average systems not high end stuff.
But who knows.. maybe the 90% of us in here that truely believe there is a difference, are off our rockers.... if so I appologize... but at the same time, I know what I hear.
03-30-2004, 06:44 PM
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DaFeared, I listen mostly to classical, baroque, opera and jazz music which has been recorded by audiophile quality recording labels. If your audio system is very good, then yes, you can hear the difference between a well recorded cd and one that isn't so well recorded. If the audio system is poor, then the difference won't be so noticeable.
And Dereck...Hymen Buster ?!?!?
And Dereck...Hymen Buster ?!?!?
03-30-2004, 09:12 PM
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