Roger Waters on vinyl
you've obviously never heard even a decent record player on a half decent hoome system. same amp, same speakers, vinyl will blow away any CD ever made.
the bit rate on a CD is fixed, and has been out of date since the 1930's (at least acording to everyone in the recording industry that I've talked to about it, which is quite a few) Records have a resolution that can be on the atomic level.. simply put, vinly has a virtually infinite bitrate. (it is somewhat digital, either the atom of vinyl is there, or it's not) to properly compare the two, it'd be like the difference between those old fischer price plastic "records" and a CD, that's about the same as CD VS vinyl.
the bit rate on a CD is fixed, and has been out of date since the 1930's (at least acording to everyone in the recording industry that I've talked to about it, which is quite a few) Records have a resolution that can be on the atomic level.. simply put, vinly has a virtually infinite bitrate. (it is somewhat digital, either the atom of vinyl is there, or it's not) to properly compare the two, it'd be like the difference between those old fischer price plastic "records" and a CD, that's about the same as CD VS vinyl.
Originally posted by Sassmaster:
you've obviously never heard even a decent record player on a half decent hoome system. same amp, same speakers, vinyl will blow away any CD ever made.
the bit rate on a CD is fixed, and has been out of date since the 1930's (at least acording to everyone in the recording industry that I've talked to about it, which is quite a few) Records have a resolution that can be on the atomic level.. simply put, vinly has a virtually infinite bitrate. (it is somewhat digital, either the atom of vinyl is there, or it's not) to properly compare the two, it'd be like the difference between those old fischer price plastic "records" and a CD, that's about the same as CD VS vinyl.
you've obviously never heard even a decent record player on a half decent hoome system. same amp, same speakers, vinyl will blow away any CD ever made.
the bit rate on a CD is fixed, and has been out of date since the 1930's (at least acording to everyone in the recording industry that I've talked to about it, which is quite a few) Records have a resolution that can be on the atomic level.. simply put, vinly has a virtually infinite bitrate. (it is somewhat digital, either the atom of vinyl is there, or it's not) to properly compare the two, it'd be like the difference between those old fischer price plastic "records" and a CD, that's about the same as CD VS vinyl.
regards, Mark
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Wow
Didn't really expect there to be vinyl lovers still alive out there LOL
Convienience is certainly not an attribute of vinyl...I spend a good 3-5 minutes to put on a record...clean stylus, ionize the plastic, clean the record with two processes, adjust the tonearm height....then GRRR if I didn't get it right...but it's too late, cause you can't replay it for at least 24 hours.
Did you know that the forces exerted on the vinyl from the diamond exceed 10,000 lbs/sq inch, and the velocities and rate of change of speed are close to 1000 km/hr/mS. It's no wonder that the "average" turntable was surpassed by the CD.
Not to mention the fact that the average stylus can be replaced at any Walmart....just go to the "nail" section.
I want a top of the line Koetsu one day.....$10g's plus ...if you can find a good one, and then I'll need to upgrade my tonearm to handle the extra force....
$3,500 should get me in the game for a Mitchel, Grace, or the new SME....I think the Linn will do til I die, if the bearing holds out.
All of which reminds me.....
When I last set up the table, I thought I'd replace the 25 year old cables.....The capacitace needed to be below 75uF for the tonearm leads.
I measured every set of cables in town, and not one was under 200uF....even the +$200 ones....
I tried a few, and the sound was just not there....maybe this has no bearing with regular 2-4V signals, but with an RIAA pre-amp in line , the difference was HUGE.
So I put the original old, dried up, cracked cables back on, and it sounds about right.
I just can't help but think it could sound better with a new set.....just gotta find some.
Didn't really expect there to be vinyl lovers still alive out there LOL
Convienience is certainly not an attribute of vinyl...I spend a good 3-5 minutes to put on a record...clean stylus, ionize the plastic, clean the record with two processes, adjust the tonearm height....then GRRR if I didn't get it right...but it's too late, cause you can't replay it for at least 24 hours.
Did you know that the forces exerted on the vinyl from the diamond exceed 10,000 lbs/sq inch, and the velocities and rate of change of speed are close to 1000 km/hr/mS. It's no wonder that the "average" turntable was surpassed by the CD.
Not to mention the fact that the average stylus can be replaced at any Walmart....just go to the "nail" section.
I want a top of the line Koetsu one day.....$10g's plus ...if you can find a good one, and then I'll need to upgrade my tonearm to handle the extra force....
$3,500 should get me in the game for a Mitchel, Grace, or the new SME....I think the Linn will do til I die, if the bearing holds out.
All of which reminds me.....
When I last set up the table, I thought I'd replace the 25 year old cables.....The capacitace needed to be below 75uF for the tonearm leads.
I measured every set of cables in town, and not one was under 200uF....even the +$200 ones....
I tried a few, and the sound was just not there....maybe this has no bearing with regular 2-4V signals, but with an RIAA pre-amp in line , the difference was HUGE.
So I put the original old, dried up, cracked cables back on, and it sounds about right.
I just can't help but think it could sound better with a new set.....just gotta find some.
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And Sass...that's the first time I ever heard that.....the atom is either there, or not....kewl.
Kinda like digital photography....if you enlarge it enough, what you thought was a black and white cow in a field, is really just a bunch of black and white squares.
Kinda like digital photography....if you enlarge it enough, what you thought was a black and white cow in a field, is really just a bunch of black and white squares.
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I just found an original Dark Side of the Moon, in quad.....don't know if I'll bid yet...be kind of a waste without the receiver/decoder to play it, but I remember hearing a quad 8 track version (yeah, I'm old) that was stunning.
The quad information was encoded in the 20k-40k band of the record, and took a good stylus/tonearm to play, so it never caught on, but it was the forerunner of today's surround sound.
The quad information was encoded in the 20k-40k band of the record, and took a good stylus/tonearm to play, so it never caught on, but it was the forerunner of today's surround sound.
http://cgi.ebay.com/Thorens-TD-321-M...QQcmdZViewItem
with
http://www.linn.co.uk/spec_sound/pro...avBar=Playback
powered by a set of http://www.linn.co.uk/spec_sound/pro...avBar=Playback
and http://www.linn.co.uk/spec_sound/pro...NavBar=Control
then tell me Vinyl is not SQ
with
http://www.linn.co.uk/spec_sound/pro...avBar=Playback
powered by a set of http://www.linn.co.uk/spec_sound/pro...avBar=Playback
and http://www.linn.co.uk/spec_sound/pro...NavBar=Control
then tell me Vinyl is not SQ
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Originally posted by Starterwiz:
....I remember hearing a quad 8 track version (yeah, I'm old) that was stunning.
....I remember hearing a quad 8 track version (yeah, I'm old) that was stunning.
Seriously though..I like the sound of a good clean,scratchfree vinyl recording.But it has to be played on a quality turntable.
I have this old clunker console stereo here that I enjoy tossing a LP on once in a while, but its needle is worn and sounds like ***.
I say good find on the Waters LP.. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
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Aghhh.... nothing like the sound of a good 8 track, zipping along at a healthy 3 and 3/4" per second.
I spent a good deal of time in the 70's, when I should have been in class, listening to the latest Zeppelin, Floyd, Supertramp, etc on a Craig deck with Jenson 6x9's....that deck just kept playing and playing, and never quit...must have run those tapes 10 hours a day for a few years. Never a scratch, tick, burp or skip, and believe me, they got abused. Woulda sounded kewl if we'd had good car speaker technology back then.
In fact if I ever got my hands on a quad 8 track, I'd have to buy a 69 Swinger to do up around it.
Nothing quite like 4 channels of Floyd, besides live.
[ December 13, 2005, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: Starterwiz ]
I spent a good deal of time in the 70's, when I should have been in class, listening to the latest Zeppelin, Floyd, Supertramp, etc on a Craig deck with Jenson 6x9's....that deck just kept playing and playing, and never quit...must have run those tapes 10 hours a day for a few years. Never a scratch, tick, burp or skip, and believe me, they got abused. Woulda sounded kewl if we'd had good car speaker technology back then.
In fact if I ever got my hands on a quad 8 track, I'd have to buy a 69 Swinger to do up around it.
Nothing quite like 4 channels of Floyd, besides live.
[ December 13, 2005, 08:05 PM: Message edited by: Starterwiz ]
