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dude thats sweet, I haden't heard, wow nice to see they stand behind there gear, you have to respect that.

AudioVault

Theres just one k!

Tim Baillie.

Buy a good speaker, install it right............run the right amount of power to it with a clean signal and who needs a warranty.......................

I have a set of MB Q's that are over 10 years old and they are still going strong and I used to run 300w RMS to them all day long........................

If people have to sell a product on the merits of it's warranty I would be a little hesitant...........................KIA doesn't offer their huge warranty cause it's built like a BMW.................

mike bisson

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That description sounds like a colored presentation, where there is simply too much engineering focus on frequency response and not on dynamics, detail, system impedance (Allison speakers, some KEF, some AR). That is typified as a smooth balance of HF, mids, and LF but a definite 'blah' flavor. Over damping, putting in too much sound treatment, over processing can all duplicate this.

Neutrality is a systematic feature where every recording is allowed to have its individual sound. The opposite of this is my old tubed CJ PV-5 preamp, it was a simply wonderful sounding preamp BUT every recording sounded rich, deep, warm, 3D... the CJ changed the sound to a romantic ideal sound. Remember some recordings are done poorly and sound lousy, the system should tell you that too. A neutral system should be as exciting, or dull, as the original recording. </font>[/QUOTE]Could you please clearify something for me? I will assume that your mention of Allison, KEF and AR (do you mean the original designs by Allison/Kloss or the current AR branded products) was to praise their ability to reproduce with absolute fidelity (or "faithfulness" as translated from the original Italian word). Another note, but if you look at an Allison speaker -- specifically the tweeter, you will note that many of today's high end home and car audio tweeters (scan speak, alpine F#1, Vifa, etc) copy its design and intention.

To quote another great audio innovator (the late Mr. Walker of Quad) the best audio system would be "a straight wire with gain" thus neutrality just might be the most highly prized of characteristics if your quest is truly high fidelity.

Brandon

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LOL you like that eh?

FYI I helped build that car. Well, the first install, when he was all Kicker amps.

I still can't get enough of it, it's just funny what you were saying about the midbass because Harry Kimura seems to think differently.

loudtdi

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I agree with Tim on this one!

JohnVroom

LOL you like that eh?

FYI I helped build that car. Well, the first install, when he was all Kicker amps.

I still can't get enough of it, it's just funny what you were saying about the midbass because Harry Kimura seems to think differently. </font>[/QUOTE]The driver on the floor is the one I am speaking of in it's current setup, the driver disects the sound and shows off hte control, it may not work on Harrys music or Harrys volume level (but Harry and I like Bass). Remember I am talking about bass not sub-bass

JohnVroom

Yes the inverted dome is 'in' again (Focal Be)

The Allison (late 70's) 'flush' mounted and AR (early 80's) sealed designs were both engineered to produce 'flat' in room responses. While the Allison was a bit of a fav of mine (till I heard Snell) it depended on room loading (like the Klipshhorn) to make bass. Different wall materials would make different bass (flawed but still good in most rooms) I would not call the effort one of high fidelity to the recorded sound … but I would call it good sound reproduction (they were not the best imaging speakers or even that accurate) but a darn solid effort to raise the bar. The AR on the other hand measured well but never (IMO) came close to sounding like music, it was like they designed the perfect loudspeaker on paper and never listened to it. I preferred the Advent and JBL offerings that were much closer to the timbre of live music to the AR. And believe me I fell in love with the appearance and engineering of the AR … I was SOLD on AR (till I heard it anyway). I also thought the mid 80’s KEF while measuring well sounded thin and ... like a plastic driver.

Kloss and Roy A. were visionaries and both took chances with radical designs. Each had hits and misses. Without the AR I disliked so much, we would be stuck listening to ported systems (that was for Dukk BTW). That was an interesting time where engineering efforts to produce good sound in the home were trying new things.

System neutrality and true musical detail are still the hardest things to achieve in reroduced sound.

[ June 02, 2005, 09:09 PM: Message edited by: JohnVroom ]

mike bisson

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John,

Interesting and well considered comments -- in my experience, I found the Allisons with the "inverted dome" tweeter to image rather nicely -- but perhaps that is a subjective evaluation on my part. I have to admit I am partial to the concept of free acoustic suspension (sorry Dukk) and perhaps that is why I am still partial to sealed boxes for SQ in many vehicles.