path of least resistance, never pegged you as that kind of guy dukk [img]tongue.gif[/img]

 

^ Path of least resistance my ***. You asked to list in order of importance. I did. I truly do not believe imaging to be that big a deal next to tonality and staging.

Imaging is a catch 22 - you have to listen closely to realize it and in the process you can totally manipulate it with your mind.


Don't see you offering up your opinion there shooter... [img]graemlins/gunsarecool.gif[/img]

[ November 30, 2004, 05:25 PM: Message edited by: Dukk ]

 

that the funniest thing ive ever heard you say, lets get the guitar to sound like a guitar, who cares what position it is in the stage and the correct placement and if we listen close enough our mind will create the image based on will itself. music producers out there would crawl in their skin to hear that

 

^ You are obviously above reality. Plus you ignore my point.

 

I agree with Dukk, who is to say where the image should even be unless they mastered the disc or read stage maps. Yes focus is important and staging and imaging, but a piano should sound like a piano before you worry about how big the piano appears on the stage. Also tonality is more than just dropping a set of Focal Utopia's (or some other $2000 set) into place, and saying, it's not getting better than that. Install playes a huge roll in tonality.

 

dukk i didnt ignore your point. i think tonality is very important but to sacrifice image and stage for it to me seems wrong, and dwvw, if you dont know where placement should be you had best listen to it on a reference system long before you try to tune for tonality. if your not sure about stage placement and so on, how can you tune for tonality because you must not have referenced the tracks your trying to tune or you would know where proper placement should be, all pianos werent recorded the same and guitars and so on. of course install is critical in tonality as it its in the overall sound of the system, we need not beat that to death. dukk yopu want my take on it, i like to try to get the best imaging i can, i find it the most difficult to get very good. staging and tonality are very important obviously, but i find imaging more challenging personally to get so simmer down there big guy and [img]smile.gif[/img]

 

Well for me in my personal car, imaging is relatively easy. I know the sound of a piano, I don't have to listen on a reference system to know what it should sound like. I do not know where images in a recording should be without a reference system, or stage maps etc. I am not saying imaging isn't important. It's just that I can enjoy a system with bad imaging and great tonality, where I can't enjoy a system with great imaging and bad tonality.

Dave, did you post about an Alpine MBZ being a disappointment before? What was disapointing, the imaging or the tonality, or both?

 

the tonality in that car was devastatingly bad, very poorly tuned or maybe it was played with by someone before i had a chance to listen to it, and got through about 30 seconds before i turned it down and said to the guy i was listening with "this sounds terrible" we then proceeded to to just bs and drink a beer and talk about how nice the actual car was, one thing that car had going for was great bass

 

Now my question to you Dave, is if that car had the best tonality you had ever heard, but below average imaging, would you have stayed maybe a bit longer listening to it?