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Originally Posted by Brandon
"The 8250 has an aluminum faceplate and volume **** as well. The 8250 does NOT have a digital output built in. It has a digital *input* built in. The R1 has the DAC and output stage built into the main board. Denon does not use a 'daughter' board for the output stage of this headunit. This is the same design as the 8240.
The 8250/Z1/DCT-1 use basically identical boards and transports. The major difference between the 8250 and the Z1/DCT-1 is the daughter board. The board on the 8250 uses 20bit BB DACs and the board in the Z1/DCT-1 uses 24 bit BB DACs. The boards are interchangeable (I presently have a DCT-1 output board in my 8250 with the 24 bit DACs and output stage so for all practical purposes it is a DCT-1).
A minor difference is that the DCT-1 and I believe the Z1 uses silver cables on the output instead of the copper cables used on the R1 and 8250. My headunit also has the silver cables installed.
The major difference between the Z1 and the DCT-1 is one capacitor in the PS. Other than that they are just about identical.
The DCT-1 includes digital output in Coaxial form. I believe the Z1 does not include digital output but it is not difficult to modify this headunit for digital output. The 8250 is slightly more difficult to mod for digital output (Denon switched off digital output in this headunit) but def not undoable.
The above description of the 8250 holds true for the 8250Ti as well. I have owned a few of these headunits and know them well.
To say that the 8250 is a cheap version of the R1 is completely false. The 8250 is VERY close to the Z1 and DCT-1 and actually is the older Denon flagship unit before they switched to 24 bit DACs and Alpha processing. Do not let the RF logo fool you, this is one serious SQ unit and is quite a step above the R1."
Kevin
There that's right form a guy that has a customized 8250 AND a Denon Z1....so, I really am thinking you're full of it dude.....OR buddy at RF doesn't have the full facts.
The 8250/Z1/DCT-1 use basically identical boards and transports. The major difference between the 8250 and the Z1/DCT-1 is the daughter board. The board on the 8250 uses 20bit BB DACs and the board in the Z1/DCT-1 uses 24 bit BB DACs. The boards are interchangeable (I presently have a DCT-1 output board in my 8250 with the 24 bit DACs and output stage so for all practical purposes it is a DCT-1).
A minor difference is that the DCT-1 and I believe the Z1 uses silver cables on the output instead of the copper cables used on the R1 and 8250. My headunit also has the silver cables installed.
The major difference between the Z1 and the DCT-1 is one capacitor in the PS. Other than that they are just about identical.
The DCT-1 includes digital output in Coaxial form. I believe the Z1 does not include digital output but it is not difficult to modify this headunit for digital output. The 8250 is slightly more difficult to mod for digital output (Denon switched off digital output in this headunit) but def not undoable.
The above description of the 8250 holds true for the 8250Ti as well. I have owned a few of these headunits and know them well.
To say that the 8250 is a cheap version of the R1 is completely false. The 8250 is VERY close to the Z1 and DCT-1 and actually is the older Denon flagship unit before they switched to 24 bit DACs and Alpha processing. Do not let the RF logo fool you, this is one serious SQ unit and is quite a step above the R1."
Kevin
There that's right form a guy that has a customized 8250 AND a Denon Z1....so, I really am thinking you're full of it dude.....OR buddy at RF doesn't have the full facts.
Hey guys, we all know there are lots of great sounding decks out there.
It is my opinion that people get too caught up in the D/A specs of a deck.
There are (4) parts of a CD player that contribute in a big way to how it will sound:
(1) The power supply
(2) The transport
(3) The DAC
(4) The analog output section
If a manufacture does a great job of #1, 2 and 4 above he can still have a world class product with a 16 or 20 bit DAC.
On the reverse side, you can have a great 24 bit 192KHZ DAC from Wolfson or BB and have a weak power supply and a bad analog section and the deck will sound like ***.
If a good number of people in different geographical regions rave about a product there is a good chance it might be a good product. (similiar to the Paul Coffee rumors years ago)
It is my opinion that people get too caught up in the D/A specs of a deck.
There are (4) parts of a CD player that contribute in a big way to how it will sound:
(1) The power supply
(2) The transport
(3) The DAC
(4) The analog output section
If a manufacture does a great job of #1, 2 and 4 above he can still have a world class product with a 16 or 20 bit DAC.
On the reverse side, you can have a great 24 bit 192KHZ DAC from Wolfson or BB and have a weak power supply and a bad analog section and the deck will sound like ***.
If a good number of people in different geographical regions rave about a product there is a good chance it might be a good product. (similiar to the Paul Coffee rumors years ago)
Originally Posted by theboy
This is going to start the "if you had a dollar to spend on a system" thread again,because before I bought any of these decks I would spend my money elsewhere first!
