Tru-Technologies amps
10-02-2003, 07:47 AM
#24
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Join Date: May 2002
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Benefits of copper chassis is when your camping, you can cook on it [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
Mark still has the pair of ID 15", but he has had them rebuilt with all new ID parts so they are mint for his car. Then........... he has a change in plans and now they are up for sale. Too funny. The bottom end is now changing for something that will be a lot of fun........ it's a secret for now.......... or until he starts telling people about it
My truck is coming along ok. Right now fighting a front stage issue as I'm trying to accomplish 6.5" in kicks and tweeters on the dash style of setup. Into second generation tweet pods and now have decide a 3rd generation is required
The kicks are still first generation and after some critical listening/testing, I think may need a rebuild to test out some further positioning ideas. Too much tweeking of the P9 for my tastes. I want to try and reuse the existing pods and hack them up, but since they are full of concrete, it will be an interesting exercise I'm running DLS parts in my truck and not Arc like Mark. I can now understand now why DLS is doing so well on the competition curcuit in Europe (7 first place finishes and 4 second place finishes this year at the Euro Finals if my memory serves me right). And I think there are something like 7 or 8 DLS set up USA cars going to Memphis this year. Curious to see if they do as well here as on the other side of the pond on the competition scene. If you ever see me around and your interested to have a listen (to my simple little disaster in progress!) just let me know.
Mark still has the pair of ID 15", but he has had them rebuilt with all new ID parts so they are mint for his car. Then........... he has a change in plans and now they are up for sale. Too funny. The bottom end is now changing for something that will be a lot of fun........ it's a secret for now.......... or until he starts telling people about it
My truck is coming along ok. Right now fighting a front stage issue as I'm trying to accomplish 6.5" in kicks and tweeters on the dash style of setup. Into second generation tweet pods and now have decide a 3rd generation is required
The kicks are still first generation and after some critical listening/testing, I think may need a rebuild to test out some further positioning ideas. Too much tweeking of the P9 for my tastes. I want to try and reuse the existing pods and hack them up, but since they are full of concrete, it will be an interesting exercise I'm running DLS parts in my truck and not Arc like Mark. I can now understand now why DLS is doing so well on the competition curcuit in Europe (7 first place finishes and 4 second place finishes this year at the Euro Finals if my memory serves me right). And I think there are something like 7 or 8 DLS set up USA cars going to Memphis this year. Curious to see if they do as well here as on the other side of the pond on the competition scene. If you ever see me around and your interested to have a listen (to my simple little disaster in progress!) just let me know.
10-02-2003, 07:19 PM
#25
LOL, I'll be watchin for you at every show I go to. I have so much I'm looking forward to listening to it's not even funny.
Mark is also running the P9 is he not? How do you like that unit? I've heard great things about it....Are you also using the P9 proccessor?
Oh and I've heard from nobody in particular that you are running the big DLS 5 channel to run your system.....is that right? What do you think about the DLS amps? Are they worth the money?
Mark is also running the P9 is he not? How do you like that unit? I've heard great things about it....Are you also using the P9 proccessor?
Oh and I've heard from nobody in particular that you are running the big DLS 5 channel to run your system.....is that right? What do you think about the DLS amps? Are they worth the money?
10-03-2003, 07:08 AM
#26
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Mark and I are both running P9 combo's. And we both HATE that they are silver faced and not black BUT, bang for the buck, they are the best thing on the market and very user friendly to set up.
Aaaah, the DLS A7. Yes, that is what I'm currently running. My personal comments about it are as follows. Physically: All the connections are on one side Soundstream style for the Ultimate Reference series (not on the ends of the amp) and well laid out. It also has a power output for an external fan (like a computer fan) that is controlled by the amplifer (love this feature). Cosmetically, very classy finish that I think is nice but not as nice as the Esoteric E7's I had. Guts and parts are second to none that I have personally seen, including the Esoteric E7's.........and I've been to CES and seen just about everything and been pitched just about every parts gimic known. I don't use the built in x-over section, so can't personally comment on how well it works. It's big and heavy and dropping it on your foot will hurt excessively for those who like weight .............didn't do that yet though!! Performance: Very transparent. Very underrated power wise from tests that were done in the UK on the piece and from what I'm experiencing. Of all the amps I've owned, definitely one of my favourites sonically........... likely in the top two or three. And this is the first time I've owned an all in one amp. It's the only DLS amp so far that I've personally run and put some time in with. Very happy with it and think it will likely not be replaced anytime soon as I'm enjoying it too much. DLS also has a Classic series, but I have not installed or run that series in my vehicle, so I will not comment.
Are the DLS Ultimate Reference amps worth the money????? I believe that a great sounding system has to have a first rate install. This amp in a great install will make the system sound awesome just because of the characteristic of the piece. This amp in a low to mid end install is a waste of money as you can buy cheaper amplifiers and probably get similar sounding results with some tweeking by a good installer. In my mind, this amp is about that last 20% of great sound in a car environment........ where you already have a solid install (first 80% of good sound) and the quality of the sound then becomes dependent on the quality of equipment. Yes, then this piece is awesome value for the money. 7 first place finishes and 4 second place finishes in the European finals this year are impressive results. I'm just waiting to hear how the DLS systems that are going to the IASCA world finals this month do.
Aaaah, the DLS A7. Yes, that is what I'm currently running. My personal comments about it are as follows. Physically: All the connections are on one side Soundstream style for the Ultimate Reference series (not on the ends of the amp) and well laid out. It also has a power output for an external fan (like a computer fan) that is controlled by the amplifer (love this feature). Cosmetically, very classy finish that I think is nice but not as nice as the Esoteric E7's I had. Guts and parts are second to none that I have personally seen, including the Esoteric E7's.........and I've been to CES and seen just about everything and been pitched just about every parts gimic known. I don't use the built in x-over section, so can't personally comment on how well it works. It's big and heavy and dropping it on your foot will hurt excessively for those who like weight .............didn't do that yet though!! Performance: Very transparent. Very underrated power wise from tests that were done in the UK on the piece and from what I'm experiencing. Of all the amps I've owned, definitely one of my favourites sonically........... likely in the top two or three. And this is the first time I've owned an all in one amp. It's the only DLS amp so far that I've personally run and put some time in with. Very happy with it and think it will likely not be replaced anytime soon as I'm enjoying it too much. DLS also has a Classic series, but I have not installed or run that series in my vehicle, so I will not comment.
Are the DLS Ultimate Reference amps worth the money????? I believe that a great sounding system has to have a first rate install. This amp in a great install will make the system sound awesome just because of the characteristic of the piece. This amp in a low to mid end install is a waste of money as you can buy cheaper amplifiers and probably get similar sounding results with some tweeking by a good installer. In my mind, this amp is about that last 20% of great sound in a car environment........ where you already have a solid install (first 80% of good sound) and the quality of the sound then becomes dependent on the quality of equipment. Yes, then this piece is awesome value for the money. 7 first place finishes and 4 second place finishes in the European finals this year are impressive results. I'm just waiting to hear how the DLS systems that are going to the IASCA world finals this month do.
10-05-2003, 03:36 AM
#28
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Damn you Dukk......... what I meant to say by great install, is that you have everything else up to "as-good-as-it-can-get" and the amplifier is the only piece of the puzzle being decided on. You're right, a good system is the whole picture.......... of all the parts working together. It's not just one piece that makes it sound awesome. I was thinking that and just assuming everyone could read my mind
10-06-2003, 07:55 PM
#29
Yea your right...a good system means a good install, good equpment and good ears for tuning.
But isn't it funny how one peice of crappy equipment can F*** up a perfectly wicked system.
I believe in using good equpiment....which means it's good by my standards before anyone else's.
I'm not going to go get something because someone else say's it's good. I'm gonna listen to it first. If I deem it worthy of my system and it fits my budget then I'll buy it. But I always read up on something before I even go to a shop to try out a new peice of equipment...if I hear it's garbage or not really good or whatever I probably won't even bother going to listen to it or try it out.
Anyway, I guess my point is, you can have the best install in the world.but without good equipment your install don't mean jack.
But isn't it funny how one peice of crappy equipment can F*** up a perfectly wicked system.
I believe in using good equpiment....which means it's good by my standards before anyone else's.
I'm not going to go get something because someone else say's it's good. I'm gonna listen to it first. If I deem it worthy of my system and it fits my budget then I'll buy it. But I always read up on something before I even go to a shop to try out a new peice of equipment...if I hear it's garbage or not really good or whatever I probably won't even bother going to listen to it or try it out.
Anyway, I guess my point is, you can have the best install in the world.but without good equipment your install don't mean jack.
10-06-2003, 08:24 PM
#30
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Join Date: Oct 2003
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The theory is that copper is a shielding agent, against RFI.
The copper chassis are supposed to reject noise better than non-copper chassis HU's.
Personally, I think it's somewhat gimmicky, since HU's have a billion and a half wires coming from them, all of which can be little RFI antennas...
At least gimmicky considering the huge premium the HU companies are charging for this technology, without any numbers behind the claimed benefits...
As far as the copper chassis on the amps, I don't know, but I suspect with such an esoteric amp, that might be the same theory. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
The actual heatsink is copper also, right?
Does that dissipate heat as well as lossy aluminum?
Because I really doubt that with such a high-end amp, that efficiency would be tops on the list...
In fact, I'd guess it to be a pure class A?
The copper chassis are supposed to reject noise better than non-copper chassis HU's.
Personally, I think it's somewhat gimmicky, since HU's have a billion and a half wires coming from them, all of which can be little RFI antennas...
At least gimmicky considering the huge premium the HU companies are charging for this technology, without any numbers behind the claimed benefits...
As far as the copper chassis on the amps, I don't know, but I suspect with such an esoteric amp, that might be the same theory. [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
The actual heatsink is copper also, right?
Does that dissipate heat as well as lossy aluminum?
Because I really doubt that with such a high-end amp, that efficiency would be tops on the list...
In fact, I'd guess it to be a pure class A?
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