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Old 07-17-2004, 11:22 AM
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Originally posted by Sassmaster:
The biggest part is that Canada was on top of the aeronautics game, and our government kicked us out of the running. We created the best combat aircraft in the world and our government, instead of encouraging our own aeronautics industry, they kowtow'd to the americans and we've been paying for it since.
My comments are going to be off topic; however, what you said reminds of the one great thing about Trudeau -- he pissed off the US so much, the CIA had people on him around the clock. It was great, the Americans would say we want this -- Trudeau would say sod off. What did we get after that? Brian "Big Jaw" Mulroney kissed George Bush Sr's behind and gave them anything they wanted at any price they wanted. That is one thing that Conservatives in Canada have never understood -- the US will always think of Canada as a "little America" unless we grow some ***** and speak up for ourselves. They steal our fish, steal their fish. They tariff our lumber, tariff their finished goods or refuse to sell them water or power (or charge them world market prices for water or power). They block our beef exports, block their produce exports. OK rant done! Flame away [img]graemlins/gunsarecool.gif[/img]

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Old 07-19-2004, 01:24 PM
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i remember this story. it's truly sad how we get treated like a god damn step-child.
sometimes i think it would've been better if we were still under british rule. however, now the british is kissing american butt more than ever. well, at least tony blair is.
the cia was convinced that trudeau was a communist that's why they have a big file on him to this day. god rest his soul.
our best hope after trudeau was cretian. sure he was an oddball but he certainly didn't take **** from anyone. now we have paul martin who's going to shove his head even further up the american ****. YOU ALL SHOULD HAVE VOTED NDP! lol
luckily,
farenheit 9/11 will be out on DVD just before the election to remind americans who not to vote for. as long as gee-dub-ya-jr is out we can't do much worse.
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Old 07-19-2004, 05:13 PM
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Someone up there made a point of big whoop about a plane making a 2G turn, while the new ones can do 11g. The point that was missed was that it had to do this turn at Mach 2. Kiss your butt goodbye is right, most planes would come apart with this type of force.
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Old 07-20-2004, 04:26 AM
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It doesnt matter if it did a 2g turn at mach 2 or 10mph, 2g is 2g, 2 times the force of gravity. Even an average cessna airplane can handle 2g turns. There was no point missed. Doing a 2g turn at mach 2 just means the turning radius would be insanely huge. Which was one of my original points. What good is a plane that has no manoeverability.
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Old 07-20-2004, 05:18 PM
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The design of the Arrow was to intercept big russian "bear" bombers coming over the north pole to North america for an attack. Russia had nothing, and i mean NOTHING that would ever compare to the speed of the arrow. I still think the yanks got ahold of the designs for the iroquoi engines, and used it to their advantage. I'd also like to point out that the head nasa designer that designed the shuttle was the same guy who designed the arrow, just about everyone who worked for avro went to work for nasa. Thanks Deifenbaker......
oh and there was a post earlier about the F-18 being a canadian plane. Yes and no. The F-18 Was designed by McDonnall Douglas and the rights were sold to to Canada.
And I know i'm rambling, but I would have to say that if there was any plane in the world that might have the similar engine design to the iroquois engines, I'd have to say it's probably the F-15's huge p&w engines.
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