Car Problems
50 Watt CAFz'r
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My girl has an old Z24 like yours. It had the 3.1 F1 though, but it is practically the same thing -- I'll check it out tomorrow at lunch.
The mechanic is the best bet. Dealerships (especially high grade ones) should be able to tell you what the problem is within 1 minute of looking at which pully is jammed up. I know my dealer has always waved any fees to evaluating a problem -- good customer service skills.
Before taking your car, or any car in, document when the problem happens; grab a note book. Is breaking harder, or softer. It is harder or softer to turn the wheel. Is the engine heating up faster, or is it running hotter than it normally does.
Not ment to rag; but most women I know go into the dealership and say: fix it; how much is it going to cost... and they don't really pay attention to what the problem was. (SUV was banking to the left when turning. Front Left tire had 13 psi lower than all the tires... $120 in checking the tire rods, suspension, etc...). The more information you provide, the less chance.
That being said; water pump or the old ac. Question. When the car is running, does the pully still turn?? If not... buy a new timing belt; the one you got is toast (or will soon be).
Good luck!
The mechanic is the best bet. Dealerships (especially high grade ones) should be able to tell you what the problem is within 1 minute of looking at which pully is jammed up. I know my dealer has always waved any fees to evaluating a problem -- good customer service skills.
Before taking your car, or any car in, document when the problem happens; grab a note book. Is breaking harder, or softer. It is harder or softer to turn the wheel. Is the engine heating up faster, or is it running hotter than it normally does.
Not ment to rag; but most women I know go into the dealership and say: fix it; how much is it going to cost... and they don't really pay attention to what the problem was. (SUV was banking to the left when turning. Front Left tire had 13 psi lower than all the tires... $120 in checking the tire rods, suspension, etc...). The more information you provide, the less chance.
That being said; water pump or the old ac. Question. When the car is running, does the pully still turn?? If not... buy a new timing belt; the one you got is toast (or will soon be).
Good luck!
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you have a temp gauge ? car running hot ? what about the belt tentioner ??? there is a good chance of this one - its a pully that drives nothing, spring loaded to apply pressure/tention the belt it`l kinda look line a aluminum can bout 3 inches round with a bolt through the center, has an arm to a lil pully bout 3 inches round (black) and will run on the belt
Ok on Cavs the air conditioning compressor is mounted on the front bottom of the 2.8 / 3.1 its usually the electronic clutch on it that goes...(or at least this is what broke on my friends cav!) on the top of the compressor is a plug with two wires on it disconnect it and then "smack" (not excessively hard) the front of the compressor. It should release the clutch and make the car drivable. As long as you leave the wires disconnected and the bearing in the clutch unit is ok you can drive as long as you want like this. But no ac! if you drove with it seized at all you must replace the belt because it will definately not be a happy unit and may leave you stranded somewhere!
***** THOUGHT I SHOULD ADD THIS *****
the air conditioning compressor clutch will look like it is NOT spinning (seized) when not powered up (when the air conditioning compressor is not needed) the compressors clutch cycles on and off to move the refrigerant! Check to make 100% that it is the problem first!
[ April 05, 2004, 09:38 AM: Message edited by: TheTrouserTrout ]
***** THOUGHT I SHOULD ADD THIS *****
the air conditioning compressor clutch will look like it is NOT spinning (seized) when not powered up (when the air conditioning compressor is not needed) the compressors clutch cycles on and off to move the refrigerant! Check to make 100% that it is the problem first!
[ April 05, 2004, 09:38 AM: Message edited by: TheTrouserTrout ]
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4000 Watt CAFz'r
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Originally posted by TheTrouserTrout:
Ok on Cavs the air conditioning compressor is mounted on the front bottom of the 2.8 / 3.1 its usually the electronic clutch on it that goes...(or at least this is what broke on my friends cav!) on the top of the compressor is a plug with two wires on it disconnect it and then "smack" (not excessively hard) the front of the compressor. It should release the clutch and make the car drivable. As long as you leave the wires disconnected and the bearing in the clutch unit is ok you can drive as long as you want like this. But no ac! if you drove with it seized at all you must replace the belt because it will definately not be a happy unit and may leave you stranded somewhere!
***** THOUGHT I SHOULD ADD THIS *****
the air conditioning compressor clutch will look like it is NOT spinning (seized) when not powered up (when the air conditioning compressor is not needed) the compressors clutch cycles on and off to move the refrigerant! Check to make 100% that it is the problem first!
Ok on Cavs the air conditioning compressor is mounted on the front bottom of the 2.8 / 3.1 its usually the electronic clutch on it that goes...(or at least this is what broke on my friends cav!) on the top of the compressor is a plug with two wires on it disconnect it and then "smack" (not excessively hard) the front of the compressor. It should release the clutch and make the car drivable. As long as you leave the wires disconnected and the bearing in the clutch unit is ok you can drive as long as you want like this. But no ac! if you drove with it seized at all you must replace the belt because it will definately not be a happy unit and may leave you stranded somewhere!
***** THOUGHT I SHOULD ADD THIS *****
the air conditioning compressor clutch will look like it is NOT spinning (seized) when not powered up (when the air conditioning compressor is not needed) the compressors clutch cycles on and off to move the refrigerant! Check to make 100% that it is the problem first!
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A pulley has siezed eh? Smoke pouring out? Sounds like a TEMPO.
If it was the alternator and since you are running fuel injection, your car would be running off battery power alone. Gaurenteed after 10 minutes tops your car battery would not have the power to run the computer and the fuel injection. I am guessing your car will start and run so the Alternator cant be the problem.
Most likely your are running a serpentine belt.
I would suggest looking at the idler wheel first. A prety easy thing to fix once it is off. Cost about $30 at most can be found at Lordco. been there done that on the Coke in the middle of night in winter.
Power steering pulley rarely pack it in. If it has the pulleys are usually pressed on and use a smallish hex bolt to hold them there or a circlip. Another fairly easy fix. You will need to find some plugs for the hi pressure line and the return line to keep debri out of the hoses. If debri enters and passes through the system, it can and will wreak havoc on your steering pump, and rack.
AC is a real pain the butt. These are pressed on and bolted and then you have to deal with clutch packs. Best left to professionals there as you may have to evacuate the freon to fix the problem.
Water pumps are the easiest to replace and check. If the pulley on the pump is gone it can be wiggled to check for play and they also have a small little hole underneath that anitfreeze weeps out of to indicate the bearing or propshaft is shot.
Looks like a Z24 motor? Shouldn`t be too hard to get at bolts and stuff to remove the problem piece. Too bad your in Ontario.
If it was the alternator and since you are running fuel injection, your car would be running off battery power alone. Gaurenteed after 10 minutes tops your car battery would not have the power to run the computer and the fuel injection. I am guessing your car will start and run so the Alternator cant be the problem.
Most likely your are running a serpentine belt.
I would suggest looking at the idler wheel first. A prety easy thing to fix once it is off. Cost about $30 at most can be found at Lordco. been there done that on the Coke in the middle of night in winter.
Power steering pulley rarely pack it in. If it has the pulleys are usually pressed on and use a smallish hex bolt to hold them there or a circlip. Another fairly easy fix. You will need to find some plugs for the hi pressure line and the return line to keep debri out of the hoses. If debri enters and passes through the system, it can and will wreak havoc on your steering pump, and rack.
AC is a real pain the butt. These are pressed on and bolted and then you have to deal with clutch packs. Best left to professionals there as you may have to evacuate the freon to fix the problem.
Water pumps are the easiest to replace and check. If the pulley on the pump is gone it can be wiggled to check for play and they also have a small little hole underneath that anitfreeze weeps out of to indicate the bearing or propshaft is shot.
Looks like a Z24 motor? Shouldn`t be too hard to get at bolts and stuff to remove the problem piece. Too bad your in Ontario.
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I would guess that it was it the waterpump or airconditioning clutch. If its the waterpump the engine will run hot really quick and wont cool down, if its the AC clutch than it wont look like it is broken, as mentioned ^^. As others have said take it to a mechanic, they can diagnose and tell you whats wrong pretty quick. Just a question what did was there a smell when you heard these noises and saw the smoke, what color was the smoke?
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Originally posted by DWVW:
That's what I was thinking, I mean really, Boomin, not trying to be an *** but you obviously know nothing about engines and are not going to do the repair yourself, so just get it towed to a mechanic and let them fix it.
That's what I was thinking, I mean really, Boomin, not trying to be an *** but you obviously know nothing about engines and are not going to do the repair yourself, so just get it towed to a mechanic and let them fix it.
Don't be an *** by pointing out the obvious though Derek
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Originally posted by Toyrantula:
A pulley has siezed eh? Smoke pouring out? Sounds like a TEMPO.
If it was the alternator and since you are running fuel injection, your car would be running off battery power alone. Gaurenteed after 10 minutes tops your car battery would not have the power to run the computer and the fuel injection. I am guessing your car will start and run so the Alternator cant be the problem.
Most likely your are running a serpentine belt.
I would suggest looking at the idler wheel first. A prety easy thing to fix once it is off. Cost about $30 at most can be found at Lordco. been there done that on the Coke in the middle of night in winter.
Power steering pulley rarely pack it in. If it has the pulleys are usually pressed on and use a smallish hex bolt to hold them there or a circlip. Another fairly easy fix. You will need to find some plugs for the hi pressure line and the return line to keep debri out of the hoses. If debri enters and passes through the system, it can and will wreak havoc on your steering pump, and rack.
AC is a real pain the butt. These are pressed on and bolted and then you have to deal with clutch packs. Best left to professionals there as you may have to evacuate the freon to fix the problem.
Water pumps are the easiest to replace and check. If the pulley on the pump is gone it can be wiggled to check for play and they also have a small little hole underneath that anitfreeze weeps out of to indicate the bearing or propshaft is shot.
Looks like a Z24 motor? Shouldn`t be too hard to get at bolts and stuff to remove the problem piece. Too bad your in Ontario.
A pulley has siezed eh? Smoke pouring out? Sounds like a TEMPO.
If it was the alternator and since you are running fuel injection, your car would be running off battery power alone. Gaurenteed after 10 minutes tops your car battery would not have the power to run the computer and the fuel injection. I am guessing your car will start and run so the Alternator cant be the problem.
Most likely your are running a serpentine belt.
I would suggest looking at the idler wheel first. A prety easy thing to fix once it is off. Cost about $30 at most can be found at Lordco. been there done that on the Coke in the middle of night in winter.
Power steering pulley rarely pack it in. If it has the pulleys are usually pressed on and use a smallish hex bolt to hold them there or a circlip. Another fairly easy fix. You will need to find some plugs for the hi pressure line and the return line to keep debri out of the hoses. If debri enters and passes through the system, it can and will wreak havoc on your steering pump, and rack.
AC is a real pain the butt. These are pressed on and bolted and then you have to deal with clutch packs. Best left to professionals there as you may have to evacuate the freon to fix the problem.
Water pumps are the easiest to replace and check. If the pulley on the pump is gone it can be wiggled to check for play and they also have a small little hole underneath that anitfreeze weeps out of to indicate the bearing or propshaft is shot.
Looks like a Z24 motor? Shouldn`t be too hard to get at bolts and stuff to remove the problem piece. Too bad your in Ontario.
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Originally posted by blackcivic:
I would guess that it was it the waterpump or airconditioning clutch. If its the waterpump the engine will run hot really quick and wont cool down, if its the AC clutch than it wont look like it is broken, as mentioned ^^. As others have said take it to a mechanic, they can diagnose and tell you whats wrong pretty quick. Just a question what did was there a smell when you heard these noises and saw the smoke, what color was the smoke?
I would guess that it was it the waterpump or airconditioning clutch. If its the waterpump the engine will run hot really quick and wont cool down, if its the AC clutch than it wont look like it is broken, as mentioned ^^. As others have said take it to a mechanic, they can diagnose and tell you whats wrong pretty quick. Just a question what did was there a smell when you heard these noises and saw the smoke, what color was the smoke?
