Iasca
05-26-2006, 12:11 AM
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somehow i think iasca might be hurting. i think everyone did up their cars for db drag this year. all the main guys anyways. u probably will be able to spark more interest in new people and the ones who are not so hardcore like the guys who attend Richard's CSPL shows.
05-26-2006, 07:23 AM
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Originally Posted by Prolifik
somehow i think iasca might be hurting. i think everyone did up their cars for db drag this year. all the main guys anyways. u probably will be able to spark more interest in new people and the ones who are not so hardcore like the guys who attend Richard's CSPL shows.
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05-26-2006, 08:53 AM
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i think it is going thru a shift..but that is because it is growing in other parts of the world....but we proudly are making it grow here in western canada....our biggest thing is to grab the attention of new people....yuli is right db drag caters to those that have been around or a while.....but that is because you cant teach an old dog new tricks.....true loud north american competitors compete in both.....team pioneer....mike bartells....scottie johnson.....bob perrillo...and most importantly ....alma gates built a sq vehicle......cant see that in db drags all that hardcore.....unless you are talking about just ontario people when you say that statement.
it is all changing and slowly....db drag is still a large sanction....****** f'n loud.....but with korbon losing db drags in the east...and ray choy retiring in the west....there is no strong push...it is still there......but only a hand few from the west went to finals....riprocks and ripsocks 2...true hardcore guys with screaming loud cars.how many db rdagser from the east went(i actually am asking cause i dont know.
here in bc...we got about 7 guys that attended the usaci/iasca finals with almost 10 this year ...or more. almost each and everyone doing a min of 35 hrs driving...while justin from kamloops did 42hrs. how many from the east went to finals....i know of david da silva and dean umlandt..but i am not sure of whom else.
to each his own...it is all changing...and all we can do is build and attend. it is way cheaper to buy a tl and you do not need a certified judge to host a single pointer so sure it will grow if any joe blow can host a show, whether he knows the rules or not....
this is also why iasca is having a tough time...cause you need certified judges and the mic isnt cheap.....it does make it tough when you have more costs to have certified equipment and certified people running a show.
it is all changing and slowly....db drag is still a large sanction....****** f'n loud.....but with korbon losing db drags in the east...and ray choy retiring in the west....there is no strong push...it is still there......but only a hand few from the west went to finals....riprocks and ripsocks 2...true hardcore guys with screaming loud cars.how many db rdagser from the east went(i actually am asking cause i dont know.
here in bc...we got about 7 guys that attended the usaci/iasca finals with almost 10 this year ...or more. almost each and everyone doing a min of 35 hrs driving...while justin from kamloops did 42hrs. how many from the east went to finals....i know of david da silva and dean umlandt..but i am not sure of whom else.
to each his own...it is all changing...and all we can do is build and attend. it is way cheaper to buy a tl and you do not need a certified judge to host a single pointer so sure it will grow if any joe blow can host a show, whether he knows the rules or not....
this is also why iasca is having a tough time...cause you need certified judges and the mic isnt cheap.....it does make it tough when you have more costs to have certified equipment and certified people running a show.
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05-26-2006, 09:25 AM
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yah sorry i ment in ontario cause thats where Ntense is from.
the thing with db drag here and not having a canadian promoter is not all that important. we have some good people (shops/competitors) who host 1x events for everyone to attend. as far as multipoint events go we really dont mind taking a drive down to the states a few times durring the summer. not like we had tons of multi point shows here to begin with. so the fact that there are no canadian promoter doesnt really affect us at all.
the thing with db drag here and not having a canadian promoter is not all that important. we have some good people (shops/competitors) who host 1x events for everyone to attend. as far as multipoint events go we really dont mind taking a drive down to the states a few times durring the summer. not like we had tons of multi point shows here to begin with. so the fact that there are no canadian promoter doesnt really affect us at all.
05-26-2006, 09:42 AM
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either way it is tough.....i forecast this for the future.......
a united triple sanction.....uasci...dbdrags......and iasca......meca?
why?....cause it costs manufacturers alot of money to invest into attending and representing themselves at finals.....spectator turnout at both finals last year was low.....and a manufacturer does not want to spend 5000-10000 2 times. this is what i see happeing.....sbn in the spring and a similar show in oct/nov. all competitors seeing everyones score at sbn and then rebuilding and getting louder for finals. it would benefit both as sbn attracts a shiest load of competitors....spectators....manuf...and media.
that is what i forecast
am i on the right track....or am i screwed in the head.....any wagers on this...i give it 2 years.
a united triple sanction.....uasci...dbdrags......and iasca......meca?
why?....cause it costs manufacturers alot of money to invest into attending and representing themselves at finals.....spectator turnout at both finals last year was low.....and a manufacturer does not want to spend 5000-10000 2 times. this is what i see happeing.....sbn in the spring and a similar show in oct/nov. all competitors seeing everyones score at sbn and then rebuilding and getting louder for finals. it would benefit both as sbn attracts a shiest load of competitors....spectators....manuf...and media.
that is what i forecast
am i on the right track....or am i screwed in the head.....any wagers on this...i give it 2 years.
05-26-2006, 11:03 AM
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I attended the finals last year. And I'll be there again this year.
Just so you know, if your holding a SPE (single point event) in IASCA you dont need to have a pressure mic. The older Audiocontrol mic will do. Ontario has a lot of judges, so that isnt an issue. And shows really dont cost much to do (on the IASCA side anyway). You will spend more on prizes and sutff.
I will be hosting 4 or 5 events this year in Cambridge. They will be IDBL and SQ. IASCA inst perfect, but I think it the best alround.
Just so you know, if your holding a SPE (single point event) in IASCA you dont need to have a pressure mic. The older Audiocontrol mic will do. Ontario has a lot of judges, so that isnt an issue. And shows really dont cost much to do (on the IASCA side anyway). You will spend more on prizes and sutff.
I will be hosting 4 or 5 events this year in Cambridge. They will be IDBL and SQ. IASCA inst perfect, but I think it the best alround.
05-26-2006, 02:45 PM
#10
Food for thought.
As Team Shadow listed - some of the true LOUD North American competitors [Edge Audio (pioneer), Mike Bartells, Scottie Johnson, Bob Perrillo]. They compete in practically all organizations... BUT... do they do this because they want to, or because that is the deal they made with there sponsors?
Don't get me wrong, I like IASCA, I like Moe.
Unforunatly IASCA has made many mistakes recently, most of which were avoidable.
I'm not sure about the West but IASCA support in the East has dropped dramatically in the past few years, in 2003 they had lots of support and backing, but since then it has gotten less and less.
IMO it was great how early they announced the rule changes, BUT unforunatly with the delay in announcing finals they have counteracted that.
What IASCA needs to do to get back in the game strong, they need to get the 2006 finals location and date announced ASAP. They ASAP after 2006 finals they need to announce rule changes and 2007 finals. They need to go after the newbies. Lets face it, the current stock filters they have aren't really too good. The whole receipt rule and trying to filter out anyone affiliated with car audio needs to be changed. The Stock classes need to be for true new comers. We don't need DaSilva's, Yuli's, [I hope I don't offend anyone] or anyone else like that in Stock, they need to be in Pro Stock. Stock needs to be kept open for TRUE new comers, old world finalists need to be bumped to Pro Stock.
Many people are trying to get IASCA to share finals with other organizations, to me this seems like a band-aid fix for the moment, they need to filter out there own problems before tackling something at that scale. Make IASCA better as an organization then work on trying to combine with others.
I hope this does not offend anyone, just my opinions.
As Team Shadow listed - some of the true LOUD North American competitors [Edge Audio (pioneer), Mike Bartells, Scottie Johnson, Bob Perrillo]. They compete in practically all organizations... BUT... do they do this because they want to, or because that is the deal they made with there sponsors?
Don't get me wrong, I like IASCA, I like Moe.
Unforunatly IASCA has made many mistakes recently, most of which were avoidable.
I'm not sure about the West but IASCA support in the East has dropped dramatically in the past few years, in 2003 they had lots of support and backing, but since then it has gotten less and less.
IMO it was great how early they announced the rule changes, BUT unforunatly with the delay in announcing finals they have counteracted that.
What IASCA needs to do to get back in the game strong, they need to get the 2006 finals location and date announced ASAP. They ASAP after 2006 finals they need to announce rule changes and 2007 finals. They need to go after the newbies. Lets face it, the current stock filters they have aren't really too good. The whole receipt rule and trying to filter out anyone affiliated with car audio needs to be changed. The Stock classes need to be for true new comers. We don't need DaSilva's, Yuli's, [I hope I don't offend anyone] or anyone else like that in Stock, they need to be in Pro Stock. Stock needs to be kept open for TRUE new comers, old world finalists need to be bumped to Pro Stock.
Many people are trying to get IASCA to share finals with other organizations, to me this seems like a band-aid fix for the moment, they need to filter out there own problems before tackling something at that scale. Make IASCA better as an organization then work on trying to combine with others.
I hope this does not offend anyone, just my opinions.
