I'm a joke? You just proved me right. Needing clarification on rules from PREVIOUS years that have been NEGATED?? Current rules apply. Simple as that. What, are you stuck in the past? New rules get released for that exact reason, so you know what to follow. What don't I know? Enlighten me

 

Oh hum. Not gonna waste my time with this. If you need further explanation please feel free to approach me at a show cause you go to all of them right?

 

Oh, and you go to all of them? Give me a break. Take note people, if you don't attend every show and/or compete at every show, your opinion doesn't mean $#!t. Honestly, I don't give a flying $%# what the issue is that you're having. I can read a current rule book, and I can follow it, that's all that matters to me

 

Listen stupid, some rules have changed others haven't. When something in the rule book isn't adjusted and needs to be clarified then you go to the judge for clarification.
P.S. Tools are useful so I'm not even gonna go there with you.

 

Call me #$%*in stupid when you're the dumbass that needs clarification? Are you kidding? What rules do you not get? I have the rules right in front of me, let's see if I can enlighten you. Don't need to be at a show to read the rules bro

 

Uhm... I really don't want to get involved here but this post alone kind of shows that you don't really follow the competition circuit very closely.

The issue is that some rules are extremely vague and are left up to the interpretation of a judge. In this case you could have a photographic memory and have the entire rule book memorized but it doesn't mean anything if each judge interprets them differently.

So, if judges discretion comes in to play how does a person know whether THEIR local judge will allow something? You call them and ask for clarification.

Also, what DJ is saying about previous years rulings being negated is 100% correct. The sad part is that the rules haven't changed but the interpretation has.

It's not a lot of rules but every year a judge takes a look at the rule book and says "well, maybe we should change it so we don't allow that any more and just say it's because of rule #12" and everyone agrees.

A perfect example is the new rule this year for Pandas about being able to feel equipment under the back seat.

For those that don't know... the rear seat of some Pandas is essentially nothing more than fabric being suspended between 2 bars (like a hammoc).

Competitors used to lay their amps under this seat or across the back and it was deemed legal. This year someone decided that if you can feel the equipment (and you obviously can because the seat is nothing but fabric) then it's illegal.

No real change in the rule.. but now the installs of a LOT of competitors is illegal.

It's VERY frustrating as a competitor to show up one week and have your car deemed legal only to go to another show 2 weeks later and suddenly get told that your vehicle is illegal.

This happens ALL THE TIME. I can bring up other examples but I won't get in to it because I don't want it to seem like I'm talking about any specific vehicles here

 

sure you can raed the rules, everyone can read the rules.

but reading the rules is like reading the bible, the interpretation is up to the person reading. after that you gotta apply the rule to your car and find out that judge's interpretation is completelly different from you, from the guy beside you and from the other judges.

there is a reason why the G1 booklet has all the pictures on it, sadly, db drag rule book as zero pictures in it.

so really, you would not be able to read the rule book and follow it to the T.

and i agree, unless you do attend alot of shows your opinion on this isnt really worth anything, as you would not really know what you are talking about.

it shows that you lack totally, or even general, knowledge of the issue when you say "I don't give a flying $%# what the issue is that you're having" as the issue is not only with the guy you said that too, it is with every single competitor, therefore, what affects one guy will affect every single individual. Have you had a general understanding of the situation prior to saying dumb things, you would not have said those things.

i say it myself, unless an individual goes to these shows, spends money to enter and time to compete........their opinion on a few issues and things dont really mean doo doo.

 

[QUOTE=jonesbrooklyn;591072] if I stuck vinyl over the deadener and then did the same spare tire cover that Tom and Yuli used at the finals they went to, would that be ok?[QUOTE]

Street Class (same rule in Street Max and Super Street, 3-11a and 3-12a, respectively)
3-10a. Factory carpeting (or equivilant replacement) is required.

Is vinyl a factory equivilant? No. If previous judges let it slide, it was luck, plain and simple. Again, if you know the rules, follow them. Why couldn't an OEM carpet be used, is my question?

 

[QUOTE=RomanticMoments;593727][QUOTE=jonesbrooklyn;591072] if I stuck vinyl over the deadener and then did the same spare tire cover that Tom and Yuli used at the finals they went to, would that be ok?Cars have come with vinyl on their interior... as in, from the factory... meaning factory equivalent.

As an example. The Panda "Hunting Edition" had a vinyl headline... this means I should legally be able to cover my headliner in vinyl even though THIS car didn't come with it originaly.

I know where you're coming from.. playing devils advocate like a lot of other people have which has put us in the position we're in now.

It's a slippery slope...

 

[QUOTE=RomanticMoments;593727][QUOTE=jonesbrooklyn;591072] if I stuck vinyl over the deadener and then did the same spare tire cover that Tom and Yuli used at the finals they went to, would that be ok?funny how clueless someone can be. our head judge has stated (as many other judges) that vinyl IS factory equivalent.

but to someone like yourself who simply has very little clue a statement that says "OEM Equivalent" simply means same or similar material, right?

fortunately for you, however, you never come out to any big events and have to deal with any of these issues directly besides typing up a whole heap of clueless paragraphs, will never find out that "OEM Equivalent" has 15 other meaning/insinuations besides which material can be used.

please just simply stop responding on this matter as with every paragraph you type you make yourself look more and more silly.

you are a bit lost and think you know everything cuz you read the rules because you never imagined a scenario where custom boxes, moulds, racks, etc, etc, etc, etc are used in a car where the OEM carpet ........well how much of an OEM carpet do you find in custom build/install? That's right, often times none at all as the trunk lay out looks totally different from a stock car. Think before you type.

keep reading the rules, down to the one that says cosmetic changes are allowed, and then try to put that one with the rule you just copied and pasted, about the OEM Carpet or equivallent, and then ask yourself that same stupid question you asked the general public..........why cant OEM carpet be used.