Costly Exotics-just a band-aid for a poor install?
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It probably just seems everyone is out to get you because you have a south park picture where there is supposed to be a picture of you or nothing.
The race cars and paul tracy analogy was brought up by someone else, I am just pointing out that while install is very important equipment choice matters as well.
The race cars and paul tracy analogy was brought up by someone else, I am just pointing out that while install is very important equipment choice matters as well.
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Originally posted by DWVW:
It probably just seems everyone is out to get you because you have a south park picture where there is supposed to be a picture of you or nothing.
It probably just seems everyone is out to get you because you have a south park picture where there is supposed to be a picture of you or nothing.
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So if you can tell me the mechanical differance between a $150 speaker, ans a $500 speaker, Ill apoligize for demeaning you (take into consideration that both speakers are of the same size and style) and if you think that you'll win a SQ compition just from changing your door speakers and subs, you suck at installing, friend
Now I am not going to go too indepth here as I want you to be able to keep up, but here some things that effect how a speaker performs.
1) Voice coil size and what its made of. Believe it or not not all voice coils are made of the same quality of materials. Plus, size does matter.
2) Magnet weight. Its just another element that adds to the entire motor structure.
3) Dispersion patterns. Do all speakers have the same one? Hell no.
Now thats just 3 examples of a speaker. The same examples can be made for amps, decks, eq's and pretty much every element in car audio.
Good luck with the Pyramid gear. Hope it works well for you.
[ August 20, 2003, 08:46 PM: Message edited by: Fat Whacker ]
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yes, but they all do the same thing... compress and rareify air to create a sound wave, (the same MECHANICAL action, therefore very basically, the same thing) the voice coil or excursion or any of that really have to do with is the overall heat resistane, meaning how many watts of heat the v.c. can take before it fails, but put in the right enclosure a good well educated installer can make a jensen speaker sound like a million bucks, and what I was really getting at with this post is that you cant just spend huge amounts of money on components and throw them in an un baffled door panel, mount your $500 tweeters 5 inces from your head and say that it sound better that a $1,000 system that was imaged properly. Thats all! And a good driver *installed* in any car can make it fast, if you dont believe me, download Initial D on a file sharing network. Oh and by the way if paul tracy were racing classic beetles, he'd probly whoop your a$$
[ August 20, 2003, 10:03 PM: Message edited by: JS ]
[ August 20, 2003, 10:03 PM: Message edited by: JS ]
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It's a mix of both. If Paul Tracy's car has a mechanical failure, he will get last place/DNF. If your Pyle components, installed perfectly and made to sound incredible by install alone, break up because the spider needs a reglue, you will have a crappy sounding stereo.
No, a $150 component set isn't as good as a $500 component set. Don't believe me? Compare them on a soundstage. Also, it's common knowledge, and there must be a reason for it, so deal with it.
"Does a Rollex keep better time?" Uhh....yes. Wearing a watch doesn't take any sort of talent (just a wrist, ankle, or super-model waist).
No, a $150 component set isn't as good as a $500 component set. Don't believe me? Compare them on a soundstage. Also, it's common knowledge, and there must be a reason for it, so deal with it.
"Does a Rollex keep better time?" Uhh....yes. Wearing a watch doesn't take any sort of talent (just a wrist, ankle, or super-model waist).
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I think what your trying to say....
I will go as far too say that many times I see people buying expensive product and doing nothing with it. Whether it be buying expensive amps and components and not taking the time the get the full value and potential of the product. SO in that case save your money.
Now to go as far as saying that high end gear and better quality compontent will make no differance, get you head checked. You need to express yourself better than making a bold statement. Wording is everything.
As far as the speaker build talk. There is definatly a build differance that improves the quality of the end result, i just would have thought of many other things that were more important than voice coil size as the main ones listed
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[ August 20, 2003, 11:17 PM: Message edited by: slow/n\low ]
I will go as far too say that many times I see people buying expensive product and doing nothing with it. Whether it be buying expensive amps and components and not taking the time the get the full value and potential of the product. SO in that case save your money.
Now to go as far as saying that high end gear and better quality compontent will make no differance, get you head checked. You need to express yourself better than making a bold statement. Wording is everything.
As far as the speaker build talk. There is definatly a build differance that improves the quality of the end result, i just would have thought of many other things that were more important than voice coil size as the main ones listed
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Originally posted by JS:
yes, but they all do the same thing... compress and rareify air to create a sound wave, (the same MECHANICAL action, therefore very basically, the same thing) the voice coil or excursion or any of that really have to do with is the overall heat resistane, meaning how many watts of heat the v.c. can take before it fails, but put in the right enclosure a good well educated installer can make a jensen speaker sound like a million bucks, and what I was really getting at with this post is that you cant just spend huge amounts of money on components and throw them in an un baffled door panel, mount your $500 tweeters 5 inces from your head and say that it sound better that a $1,000 system that was imaged properly. Thats all! And a good driver *installed* in any car can make it fast, if you dont believe me, download Initial D on a file sharing network. Oh and by the way if paul tracy were racing classic beetles, he'd probly whoop your a$$
yes, but they all do the same thing... compress and rareify air to create a sound wave, (the same MECHANICAL action, therefore very basically, the same thing) the voice coil or excursion or any of that really have to do with is the overall heat resistane, meaning how many watts of heat the v.c. can take before it fails, but put in the right enclosure a good well educated installer can make a jensen speaker sound like a million bucks, and what I was really getting at with this post is that you cant just spend huge amounts of money on components and throw them in an un baffled door panel, mount your $500 tweeters 5 inces from your head and say that it sound better that a $1,000 system that was imaged properly. Thats all! And a good driver *installed* in any car can make it fast, if you dont believe me, download Initial D on a file sharing network. Oh and by the way if paul tracy were racing classic beetles, he'd probly whoop your a$$
Here is a different exaple that might get it through your head. Take a car. The all have motors, wheels, seats etc... right? You can drive them both to the grocery store and back right? So why is a BMW more expensive than a Kia? As far as your concerned they should perform the same right? No. Why? There are a couple answers for this. Performance. Style. Comfort. Prestiege. This list could go on and on.
Saying someone could take a "Jensen" speaker and make it sound like a million buck given the right install, is not entirley correct. Could they make it sound the best as that product was built to sound? Yes. Can an install make somthing sound better than it was designed? No.
i will put it as simple as possible..
more expensive speakers are typically designed to deliver a flat response curve, which makes for minor corrections to achive a flat curve on an rta.magnet size, v/c size have benefits for install circumstances(limited space, power handling)all things provided the install is performed correctly.imaging,staging,and tonal acuracy are the rewards for the added time and money. if your ears are happy listening to it, more power to you... but i have champagne taste for my thirsty ears [img]tongue.gif[/img]
more expensive speakers are typically designed to deliver a flat response curve, which makes for minor corrections to achive a flat curve on an rta.magnet size, v/c size have benefits for install circumstances(limited space, power handling)all things provided the install is performed correctly.imaging,staging,and tonal acuracy are the rewards for the added time and money. if your ears are happy listening to it, more power to you... but i have champagne taste for my thirsty ears [img]tongue.gif[/img]
