new pioneer amps
0 Watt CAFz'r
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Goalie Man
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ya we are a priemer dealer paul. have been for about 2yrs now. we will retail for 1000.00 but dont be shy on bickering for a better deal. i love this amp it has dual torrodial transformers inside and they are the size of my fist. also each power supply fet has a 30 amp fuse on the emmitter foot, thats 12 30 amp fuses inside this amp. the board is 3mil double sided glass epoxy, and the lay out is very nice, please if you want to run one, and are serious, take at look at the inside of one and you will see that the good folks at pioneer did there homework! this is definitey the most powerful japanees amp out there today.
havent amps come along way, i look at my 2100 hcca its $2000.00 weighs 26 pounds, puts out about 1300 watts, and its huge, now the amps are half the price twice the power, and half the size.
havent amps come along way, i look at my 2100 hcca its $2000.00 weighs 26 pounds, puts out about 1300 watts, and its huge, now the amps are half the price twice the power, and half the size.
Originally posted by beamrider:
i love this amp it has dual torrodial transformers inside and they are the size of my fist. also each power supply fet has a 30 amp fuse on the emmitter foot, thats 12 30 amp fuses inside this amp. the board is 3mil double sided glass epoxy, and the lay out is very nice,
i love this amp it has dual torrodial transformers inside and they are the size of my fist. also each power supply fet has a 30 amp fuse on the emmitter foot, thats 12 30 amp fuses inside this amp. the board is 3mil double sided glass epoxy, and the lay out is very nice,
Originally posted by Haunz:
Looking at the literature Id say its a run of the mill 1.5kw amp...
If someone loaded it down and gave it 16V and it did 3kw for a burp then its obviously one mean little amp.... but Id like to know the test conditions and equipment before Id belive that....
Ive been hearing of people testing under heavy current clip while neglecting to use a true rms clamp lately...
Looking at the literature Id say its a run of the mill 1.5kw amp...
If someone loaded it down and gave it 16V and it did 3kw for a burp then its obviously one mean little amp.... but Id like to know the test conditions and equipment before Id belive that....
Ive been hearing of people testing under heavy current clip while neglecting to use a true rms clamp lately...
Steve is a very well respected dbDrag competitor and really knows his stuff.
So you can
all you want trying to make it look like he has no idea what he's talking about, but I'm sure he knows a bit more about this subject than you do [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
1000 Watt CAFz'r
Joined: Mar 2004
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AHAHAHAHAHAHA good call jordy.. ppl liek that i can't dought man! i have 100% good faith in steve cooks testings. he's been around along time, and knows his stuff very Well..
well.. today i might be trying these amps! [img]smile.gif[/img]
Livin Loud
well.. today i might be trying these amps! [img]smile.gif[/img]
Livin Loud
you are soo sure but you dont know the test conditions or equipment.... ?
I never said I doubted anyone.. I just like to know all the info before I go beliveing everything I hear....
Edit: as you can guess I have no idea who the person is who did the testing which is why I asked..... if you guys say he knows what hes dong then Ill go on faith....
[ March 19, 2005, 01:12 PM: Message edited by: Haunz ]
I never said I doubted anyone.. I just like to know all the info before I go beliveing everything I hear....
Edit: as you can guess I have no idea who the person is who did the testing which is why I asked..... if you guys say he knows what hes dong then Ill go on faith....
[ March 19, 2005, 01:12 PM: Message edited by: Haunz ]
There you go AGAIN talking about things you know nothing about...
Who said I know nothing about the test conditions?
1) It was tested by Steve Cook. A four time world champion. (ie; he knows what he's doing)
2) It does over 3000w at .5Ohms on 16v.
3) It is CEA 2006 rated to do 1500w RMS at 2Ohms and on a 12v system. So getting 3kw by dropping it down that low and adding the extra voltage isn't exactly out of the question.
The fact that we already know the AB 200.1 puts out over 3kw of power and the Pioneer amp is louder should tell you that it puts out some serious power.
[ March 19, 2005, 11:33 AM: Message edited by: JordyO ]
Who said I know nothing about the test conditions?
1) It was tested by Steve Cook. A four time world champion. (ie; he knows what he's doing)
2) It does over 3000w at .5Ohms on 16v.
3) It is CEA 2006 rated to do 1500w RMS at 2Ohms and on a 12v system. So getting 3kw by dropping it down that low and adding the extra voltage isn't exactly out of the question.
The fact that we already know the AB 200.1 puts out over 3kw of power and the Pioneer amp is louder should tell you that it puts out some serious power.
[ March 19, 2005, 11:33 AM: Message edited by: JordyO ]
I never said I doubted the results.... second it says explicitly 1.5kw at 14.4V and 2% THD in the manual.... (not 12v, ect)
Knowing pioneer they tend to underrate... sometimes by alot... any other day Id expect a little more then 1.5kw... and 3k wouldnt surprise me at all if it was listed as 1ohm stable.... (which it is not)
looking at the footprint, effeciency based on 4ohm pull, ect.. ect... it does seem to be a 'run of tha mill' 1.5k amp.... IMO...
If it has a totally oversized PSU and everything else jammed into a tiney footprint and it can do the kind of power claimed... great [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] awsome [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] friggn fabulous [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
(have I mentioned I like pioneers equipment quite a bit ?)
I mearly asked how those results were found... and FYI my azz has been laughing at some seriously invalid bench results lately....
So, I asked, you said you know.... so PLEASE... go ahead and explain the results with a little more clairity....
Knowing pioneer they tend to underrate... sometimes by alot... any other day Id expect a little more then 1.5kw... and 3k wouldnt surprise me at all if it was listed as 1ohm stable.... (which it is not)
looking at the footprint, effeciency based on 4ohm pull, ect.. ect... it does seem to be a 'run of tha mill' 1.5k amp.... IMO...
If it has a totally oversized PSU and everything else jammed into a tiney footprint and it can do the kind of power claimed... great [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] awsome [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img] friggn fabulous [img]graemlins/thumb.gif[/img]
(have I mentioned I like pioneers equipment quite a bit ?)
I mearly asked how those results were found... and FYI my azz has been laughing at some seriously invalid bench results lately....
So, I asked, you said you know.... so PLEASE... go ahead and explain the results with a little more clairity....
50 Watt CAFz'r
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Gentleman we are looking at the big daddy amp for now as jordy said Steve Cook in the states has done extensive testing at 16 VOLTS if they can keep the volts above 11 volts on berps for street USE watch the he** out. (4) premier 5000 amps on (2) Spl 5000 subs= big a$$ #'ers
DB drag steet B Yes I think YOUR going to see some huge # from our good friends at premier and some other nameless people he he !!!
top amps I think will be used for Stock or Street
Premier spl 5000
American bass 200.1
MMatts 3000
Earthquake D'3s
Rockford 3000
Remember a lot of these amps are still in testing right now and we may not see the full potental of the amps for a bit. Will be nice to see the outcome of everbodys testing SOON
Just my 2 cents KEEP IT LOUD!!!!
DB drag steet B Yes I think YOUR going to see some huge # from our good friends at premier and some other nameless people he he !!!
top amps I think will be used for Stock or Street
Premier spl 5000
American bass 200.1
MMatts 3000
Earthquake D'3s
Rockford 3000
Remember a lot of these amps are still in testing right now and we may not see the full potental of the amps for a bit. Will be nice to see the outcome of everbodys testing SOON
Just my 2 cents KEEP IT LOUD!!!!
