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Old 11-02-2007, 01:48 AM
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mrogowski said: Pretty hurting? Don't buy it. Some will, and guess what? they will be satisfied too. Not because they had the *cough* 'ultimate technology', but they were actually able to save a few bucks while achieving their goal(s).
He meant his score was hurtin with the driver he was using and yuli does not have the ultimate tech and still blows everyone out of the park, and youre saying not to post, negative criticism is positive and positive criticism is negative. Shheesshh
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Old 11-02-2007, 02:26 AM
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know what pal? You're absolutely right. I've taken a 15+ year hiatus from driver designing, and when I come back to it, I see *absolutely nothing* innovative, creative or different. Its the same crap with fancy buzz words and 'technologies'. Oh, and let's not forget the added 25+ pounds of steel with holes in it to boot. I've seen it all before.

What you think is the best, I've already seen. The only difference is that back then it was unachievable cost-wise. Well, guess what? Now it is.

Pretty hurting? Don't buy it. Some will, and guess what? they will be satisfied too. Not because they had the *cough* 'ultimate technology', but they were actually able to save a few bucks while achieving their goal(s).

To me, that's what its all about. If you don''t like it, don't bother posting.

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so basically you are admitting to this product/design being an old news? but now it's just cheaper than 15 years ago?

first you tell me that i am right and even back it up with comments of your own. then you tell me not to buy this product, however, other people should.

if your strong point is the cost saving to the consumre then more power to you. I do not know how much this product costs so I cant really comment on that.
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Old 11-02-2007, 02:27 AM
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Originally Posted by FusionMadsen
Think its worth buying one for someone like myself whos just getting started? Especially since its way cheaper than most other "SPL" subs?
i dunno, how much does it cost?
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Old 11-02-2007, 06:47 AM
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a daily driving SQL sub with no pole vent? THat just seems silly to me in a daily situation you need to cooling more than you do in a 1 second competition burp. TO make a sub that is supposed to be a huge power handling daily sub and put no vent on it seems really contraindicatory
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Old 11-02-2007, 09:22 AM
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Originally Posted by ShockingCanada
a daily driving SQL sub with no pole vent? THat just seems silly to me in a daily situation you need to cooling more than you do in a 1 second competition burp. TO make a sub that is supposed to be a huge power handling daily sub and put no vent on it seems really contraindicatory
A pole vent is really unnecessary. It does little to nothing for cooling by convection...you are much better off drawing air across the top plate and down into the windings. Plus, doing a pole vent takes a considerable amount of steel out of the motor, lowering motor force potential.
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Old 11-02-2007, 10:58 AM
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A pole vent is really unnecessary. It does little to nothing for cooling by convection...you are much better off drawing air across the top plate and down into the windings. Plus, doing a pole vent takes a considerable amount of steel out of the motor, lowering motor force potential.
u should quit while u are not too far behind
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Old 11-02-2007, 11:51 AM
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Originally Posted by Prolifik
i dunno, how much does it cost?
Apparently the pre-order price was around $250, so I'm guessing $350-$400 after everything is said and done.
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Old 11-02-2007, 12:05 PM
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for $400 i'd look at FI or even Atomic
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Old 11-02-2007, 04:46 PM
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Originally Posted by Ligeia
A pole vent is really unnecessary. It does little to nothing for cooling by convection...you are much better off drawing air across the top plate and down into the windings. Plus, doing a pole vent takes a considerable amount of steel out of the motor, lowering motor force potential.
I would love to see the testing that was done to determine that the pole vent does little for cooling lol. No doubt there are other ways to cool, what features does this motor have to keep it cool? Secondly no doubt a pole vent takes some of the metal from the pole however it makes no differance unless the pole is saturated which I am sure that it isn't. Thirdly, if the driver is a daily SQL driver I am sure that the benefit in reliability from better cooling and a pole vent would be more adventageous than the small benefit in motor force from no pole vent...especially since the tiny bit of motor force you may gain would make no audible differance and if its not an SPL woofer then wouldn't you opt for more reliability for daily drivers rather than a tiny amount of more motor force? It just makes no sense
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Originally Posted by ShockingCanada
I would love to see the testing that was done to determine that the pole vent does little for cooling lol. No doubt there are other ways to cool, what features does this motor have to keep it cool? Secondly no doubt a pole vent takes some of the metal from the pole however it makes no differance unless the pole is saturated which I am sure that it isn't. Thirdly, if the driver is a daily SQL driver I am sure that the benefit in reliability from better cooling and a pole vent would be more adventageous than the small benefit in motor force from no pole vent...especially since the tiny bit of motor force you may gain would make no audible differance and if its not an SPL woofer then wouldn't you opt for more reliability for daily drivers rather than a tiny amount of more motor force? It just makes no sense
See Dr. Klippel's paper he presented at AES in 2003 on nonlinear modelling of heat transfer. I can't speak on the driver's cooling in any respect other than to say that your feeling that it is silly not to have a pole vent is not a view that is shared by myself and many engineers in the industry. Assessing the driver's cooling capabilites based on the fact it does not have a pole vent might be considerably more silly than the driver itself not having a pole vent.

My point is that it is foolish for either of us to sit here and comment on specific aspects of a driver design of which neither of us know the specifics.
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