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Old Dec 21, 2009 | 07:38 PM
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Noob has a question about DSP

Hi there,
Hope you experts can help me out.
I used to have a JVC car deck 5 years ago, but got stolen. I loved the deck - it had BBE and all this crazy DSP settings... it sounded like a concert hall in my little car. But that unit is no longer available for purchase. So I got a new deck and I found that the brands like Pioneer, Alpine, JVC, etc., don't have such features on their decks anymore. I asked many car audio places in Vancouver, and nobody could tell me why these brands stopped making such decks.

I really want my concert hall and other settings (such as "studio", "club", etc.) back. I know that there are purists out there who would look down upon my desire for this, but to tell you honestly I enjoyed the sound so much I spent hours driving around in my car aimlessly just to listen to my stereo. Now the sound I have is very "natural" sounding, but just has no depth, no echo, nothing. It feels like I'm sitting right in front of a bunch of speakers, and that's about it.

Can anyone please recommend a deck or equalizer or some other kind of add-on I can purchase to give me what I want?
Old Dec 21, 2009 | 08:36 PM
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Look into the Kenwood Excelon line, i have the X-991 and I believe it has what you are looking for. IIRC all of the Kenwoods have this setting.
Old Dec 21, 2009 | 11:01 PM
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Originally Posted by hbd666
Hi there,
Hope you experts can help me out.
I used to have a JVC car deck 5 years ago, but got stolen. I loved the deck - it had BBE and all this crazy DSP settings... it sounded like a concert hall in my little car. But that unit is no longer available for purchase. So I got a new deck and I found that the brands like Pioneer, Alpine, JVC, etc., don't have such features on their decks anymore. I asked many car audio places in Vancouver, and nobody could tell me why these brands stopped making such decks.

I really want my concert hall and other settings (such as "studio", "club", etc.) back. I know that there are purists out there who would look down upon my desire for this, but to tell you honestly I enjoyed the sound so much I spent hours driving around in my car aimlessly just to listen to my stereo. Now the sound I have is very "natural" sounding, but just has no depth, no echo, nothing. It feels like I'm sitting right in front of a bunch of speakers, and that's about it.

Can anyone please recommend a deck or equalizer or some other kind of add-on I can purchase to give me what I want?
Try the pioneer 880 or 800 series decks, thwy are stacked to the gills with options at very reasonable prices that can be had on ebay. Also any of the new Alpine decks, I belive the 9875 has the same features. All those settings on your previous deck were preset EQ settings, nothing wrong with them , if you like them then thats what you should get.
Old Dec 22, 2009 | 12:12 AM
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Originally Posted by vrdublu
Try the pioneer 880 or 800 series decks, thwy are stacked to the gills with options at very reasonable prices that can be had on ebay. Also any of the new Alpine decks, I belive the 9875 has the same features. All those settings on your previous deck were preset EQ settings, nothing wrong with them , if you like them then thats what you should get.
I've looked through the latest Alpine decks - yes they have preset EQ settings, but maybe I am mistaken ... are things like concert hall, studio, and echo type sounds to do more with reverb and delays rather than setting the volume on frequency levels? Cuz all I saw in the Alpine decks were EQ settings and nothing on concert hall or studio, etc.

I didn't see much in the Pioneer lineup either, but that was only in-store...I didn't look on E-Bay yet.

What I had on my JVC which I liked was those souund settings to do with staging/ambience such as concert hall. It also had EQ settings for rock,jazz, etc., but I believe that it is different from staging. Unless someone can somehow assure me that I can achieve those staging settings through EQ then please let me know, cuz God knows I've tried.
Old Dec 22, 2009 | 06:23 AM
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You won't get that with EQ, it's some kind of sound manipulation outside of simple EQ. Those kinda settings use to be on everything and now they are gone.
Old Dec 22, 2009 | 09:25 AM
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Originally Posted by AAAAAAA
You won't get that with EQ, it's some kind of sound manipulation outside of simple EQ. Those kinda settings use to be on everything and now they are gone.
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Old Dec 22, 2009 | 10:16 AM
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I used to own a Pioneer with the DSP settings, they sounded kinda cheap to me. They are simply weird EQ presets.

You are better off getting a deck with a good parametric EQ. I own the Eclipse CD5030 and it has a 7-band parametric EQ. You can cut/boost/change frequencies on each of the 7 bands. It gives you a lot of adjustment, You will even notice a great sound change on basic factory speakers.

Forget about those DSP effects for now
Old Dec 22, 2009 | 11:43 AM
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What he is refering to is more like a "spacial algorythum" in the unit, it's not just EQ bands.

EQs can't add echo's\reverbs.
Old Dec 22, 2009 | 12:15 PM
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AAAAAAA is right on I believe.

What he's looking for is what SoundBlaster Live! brought the the computer some years back with the EAX Reverb/Echo effects. However, I don't know of any decks that have this feature.

However, if you can get your hands on a deck that has good T/A on it, you maybe fake a portion of it by massively delaying your rear speakers and cutting out some frequencies on them to get the acting more like an echo from the back walls of a concert hall or something.

It's something I've been wanting to experiment with myself for a while but never got around to it...
Old Dec 22, 2009 | 04:06 PM
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yeah it's 1st generation DSP which was popular in the 90's and early 2000's. Like everything else, the good versions were good, or at least enjoyable, the bad were just plain bad. Most of the car audio big guns, alpine, pioneer, clarion, kenwood, and sony all had some form of it or another. OP if you want that, you can get an Alpine era-g320...regularly on ebay, it has eq, multiple venue dsp..stadium, church, concert hall, etc... and it's one of the best units for that sort of thing.

http://cgi.ebay.com/Alpine-ERA-G320-EQ-Equalizer-SOUND-PROCESSOR-Ai-NET_W0QQitemZ280441421107QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_Def aultDomain_0?hash=item414b9c7d33

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