I went lookin for a W2000SPL today and couldn't find them anywhere.. but a few places had a W3004SPL? not sure what to think of it... but RMS power handling has gone up by 250 watts, peak power handling has gone up by 1,000 watts (who cares), and the cosmetics have changed.. I was gonna buy a 2000SPL, but I'm afraid they've gone and ditched everything good about it for marketing, glitz, and glamor with the 3004 (red magnets, different flashier basket.. weird looking but VERY solid surround).

anybody compared the two yet??

 

Yes, the TS-W3004 KILLS the TS-W2000SPL. The changes were not for "marketing, glitz & glamour" (no offence).

The cone no longer has a dust cap (makes it continuous & stronger), the voice coil wire is ceramic coated (like the TS-W5000SPL to disipate heat), the voice coil bobbin is now titanium (also to disipate heat), the spider is now aramid fiber (or "Kevlar" as it's trade name - makes it stronger), the chassis is the same bottom-hold die-cast one-piece design but it now also employes a heatsink cooling system & lastly it works in MUCH smaller enclosures (starting at 0.85 cu ft).

As far as your concerns go:

The magnets aren't red. What you're seeing is the heatsink cooling system integrated into the frame. The basket is the same design as the TS-W2000SPL, only it's not painted black. The surround is exactly the same, it's a three layer wide-roll fiber woven radial surround with honeycomb cloth. What makes it look "weird" to you is probably the outline of the honeycomb cloth through the two layers of butyl rubber.

You can now also get this woofer in a dual two ohm configuration as well (TS-W3002SPL).

I've heard this sub in a pre-fabricated ported box on one of my accounts' demo boards & it WAILS! In all honesty, the new subwoofers are miles ahead of last years. They took a lot of technology from the TS-W5000SPL & what Pioneer learned on the dB Drag Racing circuit in winning back to back Deathmatch championships & setting world records.

Good for the new one, you'll be glad you did!

 

I just might, but a magazine tested the xmax of the 2000 at 20+ mm one-way (voice coil in gap / 2 or something) but you guys only rate the new one at 10.4mm one way.. its only a spec, I know, but if it is cut in half then won't the woofer be half as loud? i guess I should probably audition one...

 

I don't think the Xmax tells the whole story about how loud a sub can be.

The TS-W2000SPL was rated by Pioneer at 12.7mm & the TS-W3004SPL is 11.2mm. By comparison, the TS-W5000SPL is 10.0mm & it's one of the loudest subs on the planet!

If you give the woofer enough power & have the proper enclosure made for it, I'm sure it will be more than loud enough for you.

Your best bet is to get into your local retailer & have a listen as the one I heard last week is VERY, VERY loud with not much in the way of excursion.

Let me know what you think!

 

went and auditioned one today... sounds great. could only get it 600 watts, but it was damn loud.. it went really low too and played quite clean even in a prefab ported box. I was likin it.. might have to get one