what is this worth
09-16-2010, 04:32 PM
#22
Sooo what you're saying Dukk is that you build a box and pay yourself 80 bucks at $20 an hour for 4 hours of work? Or you never build boxes for yourself because its not worth your time and just let people build it for you and pay the extra money? I never said labour is worth nothing, but what I guess I meant to say is that for $50 and an afternoon someone can build their own. If someone paid $300 for an enclosure that is so custom it has a spolier and hydraulics, its custom for that person. If they were to resell it I highly doubt the new buyer would pay that much because it wasn't built for them. Unless you know someone who would, in which case can you let them know I have a factory head unit from an 01' Civic for sale? I'll charge them the cost of the new head unit it that replaced it, so $220, cool? Oh wait, I forgot the labour it took for me to swap them, so $20 an hour for 2 hours, so $260.
And 50 bucks in 3-4 hours is like 30k a year, which isn't all that bad. Its good to see you're in a good mood, but not suprising at all to see that you can all me a retard and I can't call you a moron.
And 50 bucks in 3-4 hours is like 30k a year, which isn't all that bad. Its good to see you're in a good mood, but not suprising at all to see that you can all me a retard and I can't call you a moron.
09-16-2010, 05:51 PM
#23
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I called you a retard? I just like the emoticon... 
BUT yes it would be that way. Life isn't fair - get used to it.
What I am saying is that, should someone ask me to build them something, I consider how long it will take and I charge accordingly. If they are asking ME then they likely already know what that means and they will pay accordingly. Now, if they are someone who thinks $30k/yr is a lot of money, and don't really know me, then they likely won't wind up getting anything built by me...
Your time may be worth nothing to you but mine is to me, and it looks like John's is to him.
Didn't we just have a thread last week with some fool bitching about paying people fairly for their time? What ever happened to that? Ohhhhh.... riiiiggghhhtt....
BUT yes it would be that way. Life isn't fair - get used to it.What I am saying is that, should someone ask me to build them something, I consider how long it will take and I charge accordingly. If they are asking ME then they likely already know what that means and they will pay accordingly. Now, if they are someone who thinks $30k/yr is a lot of money, and don't really know me, then they likely won't wind up getting anything built by me...
Your time may be worth nothing to you but mine is to me, and it looks like John's is to him.Didn't we just have a thread last week with some fool bitching about paying people fairly for their time? What ever happened to that? Ohhhhh.... riiiiggghhhtt....
09-17-2010, 12:09 AM
#24
I hit quote and I saw retard and got upset. As for life not being fair, not arguing that. And again, I never said time isn't worth anything, I just cannot for the life of me see how you justify paying yourself. Again, as I said the materials are worth $50 and it takes you the afternoon to build your box, I don't see the problem in building it yourself. If someone builds it for you then they should be compensated in a way you both see fit, and in that instance I believe the box would be worth more than the cost of materials.
On a side note, how much do you donate to charity?
On a side note, how much do you donate to charity?
09-17-2010, 12:46 AM
#25
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You have things twisted. The OP asked what he could SELL a box for. A suggestion was made for upwards of $250. Your response suggested that all they could sell it for is the cost of materials, negating any value to their time in building it. My response was that a person's time is worth money and they have every right to expect to be paid for spending their time building it. Assuming you work, you go into your job and spend time accomplishing something and you expect to be paid for that time yes? Same thing.
Not sure what angle you are getting at with the charity thing but through my bank I have a set amount donated every month to local charities, I sponsor a child through World Vision, I regularly contribute to the Canadian Diabetes association, my local food bank, the Vancouver Children's Hospital, Canadian Cancer society, and the wife cuts cheques to a couple of others like the local Firefighters fund, the United Way, etc.
Is that enough for you? I'm ok with it.
Not sure what angle you are getting at with the charity thing but through my bank I have a set amount donated every month to local charities, I sponsor a child through World Vision, I regularly contribute to the Canadian Diabetes association, my local food bank, the Vancouver Children's Hospital, Canadian Cancer society, and the wife cuts cheques to a couple of others like the local Firefighters fund, the United Way, etc.
Is that enough for you? I'm ok with it.
09-17-2010, 01:53 AM
#26
Just wanted to know if you had 30k to give away every year. I'm actually a bit surprised there are so many. I like you Dukk, you're good peeps, not that my recognition means anything, but they don't call me Sir Freshness for nothing. Anways, hope we can get past this lollll
09-18-2010, 12:30 AM
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I don't hold any ill will against you at all. We saw different sides to a topic and had a disagreement. This happens. It is ok to disagree.
Truth be told, I wouldn't pay for a subbox either - I have that skill. Doesn't mean that it is wrong for someone who doesn't have that skill, time, motivaton, to pay for it though. Some people won't pay to have tile laid. I will, I hates that job and will gladly pay someone to do it. Hell I paid someone to paint my house this summer - not a technically difficult job but kind of a shitty one that I didn't want to make the time to do.
Truth be told, I wouldn't pay for a subbox either - I have that skill. Doesn't mean that it is wrong for someone who doesn't have that skill, time, motivaton, to pay for it though. Some people won't pay to have tile laid. I will, I hates that job and will gladly pay someone to do it. Hell I paid someone to paint my house this summer - not a technically difficult job but kind of a shitty one that I didn't want to make the time to do.
09-18-2010, 05:53 AM
#28
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A regular Joe must pay his bills in addition to trying to squirrel away money for special events and eventual retirement, and having enough money to chase skirts. So how does building a box enhance any of these basic goals? It does not, so in other words it is a distraction. A distraction can be fun once but not twice then it starts becoming a habit and all those expensive tools are needed or need refurbishment. when is it a hobby and when is it business. There are only 24 hours in a day and at some point you will realize each hour cant be brought back.
I can not justify the time my wife spends driving around a parking lot looking for the closest spot, I will take the first reasonable spot and be shopping before she has her parking gear set. my time is very valuable, I cant see how assigning a price per hour cant help but prioritize and justify the time used annually.
I am not saying we should not do charity we should I probably give more time and money to charity than most because IT IS WORTH MY TIME, but box building isnt charity
