SPL rant
11-14-2010, 08:01 PM
#22
he's been in acoustic engineering longer than i've been alive.
as far as the questions needed for an enclosure design... from what i've read in the past, the people who gave exact measurement, and i mean to the tee, had very good results with his designs. it was those who gave half *** measurements that yield the worst outcomes
i wish i could find the thread, but there was some guy who used a PWK design and his own simple ported enclosure design in the same car, same power, same woofer. his enclosure gave better termlab results by like 1 db or so, but he said musically, it was must cleaner as a nicer sound using the PWK design
11-14-2010, 08:06 PM
#23
However, I'm sure companies that manufacture subs, amps, etc don't market there gear primarily to competitors, otherwise they wouldn't be in business. Granted, there are a select few who likely DO market to that small segment, but those companies are dominant within the niche that SPL is.
Personally, it never made sense to me to spend thousands of dollars on equipment, a car, traveling to shows, etc because its not practical. This isn't even including the economic loss of "time" which equates to money to the guys here who are among the best in North America, but also invest thousands of hours into builds. I'm sure its fun to go compete and see who's work has paid off the most, and win some trophies/prizes along the way, but you aren't getting the full value out of car audio. If you can't listen to something you've created and say "Damn, that sounds good" then you are losing out.
Bass Race, I feel, is far more practical, exciting, and frankly a "real" competition. This explains the lack of attendance I keep reading about at shows. I think if you want to save the sport you speculate to be "dying", then you ought to change with the times and focus more on something like BaceRace, and less on dbDrag.
Is it a hobby? Definitely. The difference is car audio is a hobby that plenty of people have in common. SPL on the other hand tends to be an elite group of competitors who, amongst the company of other SPL'ers, come off as competitive, but to the outside world appear arrogant and unapproachable.
Just my 0.02.
Last edited by FusionMadsen; 11-14-2010 at 08:08 PM.
11-14-2010, 09:00 PM
#24
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Join Date: Jun 2007
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I do both, but the bassrace is just for fun on the side.
On a side note, for the larger shows, it would be nice to see a first, second third trophy for bassrace since first is usually the only one offered.
11-15-2010, 12:23 AM
#25
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Thats a bit of an extreme comparison, considering the range in SPL equipment relative to automotive racing is a little unfair.
However, I'm sure companies that manufacture subs, amps, etc don't market there gear primarily to competitors, otherwise they wouldn't be in business. Granted, there are a select few who likely DO market to that small segment, but those companies are dominant within the niche that SPL is.
Personally, it never made sense to me to spend thousands of dollars on equipment, a car, traveling to shows, etc because its not practical. This isn't even including the economic loss of "time" which equates to money to the guys here who are among the best in North America, but also invest thousands of hours into builds. I'm sure its fun to go compete and see who's work has paid off the most, and win some trophies/prizes along the way, but you aren't getting the full value out of car audio. If you can't listen to something you've created and say "Damn, that sounds good" then you are losing out.
Bass Race, I feel, is far more practical, exciting, and frankly a "real" competition. This explains the lack of attendance I keep reading about at shows. I think if you want to save the sport you speculate to be "dying", then you ought to change with the times and focus more on something like BaceRace, and less on dbDrag.
Is it a hobby? Definitely. The difference is car audio is a hobby that plenty of people have in common. SPL on the other hand tends to be an elite group of competitors who, amongst the company of other SPL'ers, come off as competitive, but to the outside world appear arrogant and unapproachable.
Just my 0.02.
However, I'm sure companies that manufacture subs, amps, etc don't market there gear primarily to competitors, otherwise they wouldn't be in business. Granted, there are a select few who likely DO market to that small segment, but those companies are dominant within the niche that SPL is.
Personally, it never made sense to me to spend thousands of dollars on equipment, a car, traveling to shows, etc because its not practical. This isn't even including the economic loss of "time" which equates to money to the guys here who are among the best in North America, but also invest thousands of hours into builds. I'm sure its fun to go compete and see who's work has paid off the most, and win some trophies/prizes along the way, but you aren't getting the full value out of car audio. If you can't listen to something you've created and say "Damn, that sounds good" then you are losing out.
Bass Race, I feel, is far more practical, exciting, and frankly a "real" competition. This explains the lack of attendance I keep reading about at shows. I think if you want to save the sport you speculate to be "dying", then you ought to change with the times and focus more on something like BaceRace, and less on dbDrag.
Is it a hobby? Definitely. The difference is car audio is a hobby that plenty of people have in common. SPL on the other hand tends to be an elite group of competitors who, amongst the company of other SPL'ers, come off as competitive, but to the outside world appear arrogant and unapproachable.
Just my 0.02.
Today you see more and more loud daily builds, which is great for car audio, I myself sold a SS van so I could build something to play music.
Maybe you had some sort of bad experience with some SPL competitor? All of the real loud guys I know will show their cars and explain anything you would ask them.
11-15-2010, 08:06 AM
#26
Thats a bit of an extreme comparison, considering the range in SPL equipment relative to automotive racing is a little unfair.
However, I'm sure companies that manufacture subs, amps, etc don't market there gear primarily to competitors, otherwise they wouldn't be in business. Granted, there are a select few who likely DO market to that small segment, but those companies are dominant within the niche that SPL is.
Personally, it never made sense to me to spend thousands of dollars on equipment, a car, traveling to shows, etc because its not practical. This isn't even including the economic loss of "time" which equates to money to the guys here who are among the best in North America, but also invest thousands of hours into builds. I'm sure its fun to go compete and see who's work has paid off the most, and win some trophies/prizes along the way, but you aren't getting the full value out of car audio. If you can't listen to something you've created and say "Damn, that sounds good" then you are losing out.
Bass Race, I feel, is far more practical, exciting, and frankly a "real" competition. This explains the lack of attendance I keep reading about at shows. I think if you want to save the sport you speculate to be "dying", then you ought to change with the times and focus more on something like BaceRace, and less on dbDrag.
Is it a hobby? Definitely. The difference is car audio is a hobby that plenty of people have in common. SPL on the other hand tends to be an elite group of competitors who, amongst the company of other SPL'ers, come off as competitive, but to the outside world appear arrogant and unapproachable.
Just my 0.02.
However, I'm sure companies that manufacture subs, amps, etc don't market there gear primarily to competitors, otherwise they wouldn't be in business. Granted, there are a select few who likely DO market to that small segment, but those companies are dominant within the niche that SPL is.
Personally, it never made sense to me to spend thousands of dollars on equipment, a car, traveling to shows, etc because its not practical. This isn't even including the economic loss of "time" which equates to money to the guys here who are among the best in North America, but also invest thousands of hours into builds. I'm sure its fun to go compete and see who's work has paid off the most, and win some trophies/prizes along the way, but you aren't getting the full value out of car audio. If you can't listen to something you've created and say "Damn, that sounds good" then you are losing out.
Bass Race, I feel, is far more practical, exciting, and frankly a "real" competition. This explains the lack of attendance I keep reading about at shows. I think if you want to save the sport you speculate to be "dying", then you ought to change with the times and focus more on something like BaceRace, and less on dbDrag.
Is it a hobby? Definitely. The difference is car audio is a hobby that plenty of people have in common. SPL on the other hand tends to be an elite group of competitors who, amongst the company of other SPL'ers, come off as competitive, but to the outside world appear arrogant and unapproachable.
Just my 0.02.
do you also calculate the economic loss of time while beating a beer and watching a football game on tv while arguing with your wife?
it's just like all the people who own guns in canada, you will never get the full value out of a fire arm since you can not shoot anyone but paper targets and clay. yet, that is a HUGE hobby here in Ontario. and is much more expensive than car auduio.
you wont get full value out of car audio cuz this isnt car audio, it is SPL. and when you buy gear strickly ment for spl you will get the full value.
how is any of this different from competative fishing where they spend $5000 on a fishing rod and another $5000 on extras just to let the fish back in the water.
every single event has both, bass race and db drag. what do we do now to save it from dying?
11-16-2010, 06:43 AM
#27
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Join Date: Jan 2005
Posts: 1,151
Thats like saying all cars should do 0-60 in under 10 seconds, and for the fuel-efficient environmental cars that do over 15 seconds are losing out. Very bias opinion.
That goes for a top competitors in any sport. It's like me, who can't skate, going up to sidney crosby and asking him to teach me how to skate. I think a few million steps are missed there.
11-16-2010, 07:04 AM
#28
Here I agree...
O.K. ... here is where I disagree...
So what happens if every bd dragger was to switch over to Bassrace. ALRIGHT!!! Now we got full brackets and everyone is happy... but wait a minute now there is no db drag and lets face it... some of them are really something to be seen.
A LOT of work goes into some of them setups.
What I think is... we need variety, which quite frankly we have. DB Drag, Bassrace and Psychlone have something for everyone. What we are missing is the competitors. The guys who are willing to come out and get spanked a few times and gain enough knowledge to make their own systems better then any forum or school can do. Then as you get better it becomes addicting.
I think the average joe needs more knowledge about what we do @ comps and how the formats work.
So, to all these people who just keep saying "maybe next show, maybe next show", you should actually hop in your ride, go to the show, meet some of these guys in person, check out their rides, ask them questions (you'd be surprised even the big ones are nice, lol), and most importantly listen to their advice, and give their ideas a try. Then come back to the next comp, and see if you learned anything from the last one.
When you actually think about it, the small cost to enter a show, is nothing compared to what you could potentially gain in system abilities just from talking to people there, physically looking at what is talked about. Let them fiddle with your system. If you don't like the results, you can always change them back later. I've seen competitors gain over 10db at their first show, just talking to people and letting them "fiddle".
I know it only took me one comp to get hooked and I drove over 5 hours to get there.
So what happens if every bd dragger was to switch over to Bassrace. ALRIGHT!!! Now we got full brackets and everyone is happy... but wait a minute now there is no db drag and lets face it... some of them are really something to be seen.
A LOT of work goes into some of them setups.What I think is... we need variety, which quite frankly we have. DB Drag, Bassrace and Psychlone have something for everyone. What we are missing is the competitors. The guys who are willing to come out and get spanked a few times and gain enough knowledge to make their own systems better then any forum or school can do. Then as you get better it becomes addicting.
I think the average joe needs more knowledge about what we do @ comps and how the formats work.
So, to all these people who just keep saying "maybe next show, maybe next show", you should actually hop in your ride, go to the show, meet some of these guys in person, check out their rides, ask them questions (you'd be surprised even the big ones are nice, lol), and most importantly listen to their advice, and give their ideas a try. Then come back to the next comp, and see if you learned anything from the last one.
When you actually think about it, the small cost to enter a show, is nothing compared to what you could potentially gain in system abilities just from talking to people there, physically looking at what is talked about. Let them fiddle with your system. If you don't like the results, you can always change them back later. I've seen competitors gain over 10db at their first show, just talking to people and letting them "fiddle".
I know it only took me one comp to get hooked and I drove over 5 hours to get there.
Last edited by DeadlySones; 11-16-2010 at 07:50 AM.
11-16-2010, 03:52 PM
#29
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Join Date: Aug 2010
Posts: 138
Here I agree...
O.K. ... here is where I disagree...
So what happens if every bd dragger was to switch over to Bassrace. ALRIGHT!!! Now we got full brackets and everyone is happy... but wait a minute now there is no db drag and lets face it... some of them are really something to be seen. A LOT of work goes into some of them setups.
What I think is... we need variety, which quite frankly we have. DB Drag, Bassrace and Psychlone have something for everyone. What we are missing is the competitors. The guys who are willing to come out and get spanked a few times and gain enough knowledge to make their own systems better then any forum or school can do. Then as you get better it becomes addicting.
I think the average joe needs more knowledge about what we do @ comps and how the formats work.
So, to all these people who just keep saying "maybe next show, maybe next show", you should actually hop in your ride, go to the show, meet some of these guys in person, check out their rides, ask them questions (you'd be surprised even the big ones are nice, lol), and most importantly listen to their advice, and give their ideas a try. Then come back to the next comp, and see if you learned anything from the last one.
When you actually think about it, the small cost to enter a show, is nothing compared to what you could potentially gain in system abilities just from talking to people there, physically looking at what is talked about. Let them fiddle with your system. If you don't like the results, you can always change them back later. I've seen competitors gain over 10db at their first show, just talking to people and letting them "fiddle".
I know it only took me one comp to get hooked and I drove over 5 hours to get there.
O.K. ... here is where I disagree...
So what happens if every bd dragger was to switch over to Bassrace. ALRIGHT!!! Now we got full brackets and everyone is happy... but wait a minute now there is no db drag and lets face it... some of them are really something to be seen.
A LOT of work goes into some of them setups.What I think is... we need variety, which quite frankly we have. DB Drag, Bassrace and Psychlone have something for everyone. What we are missing is the competitors. The guys who are willing to come out and get spanked a few times and gain enough knowledge to make their own systems better then any forum or school can do. Then as you get better it becomes addicting.
I think the average joe needs more knowledge about what we do @ comps and how the formats work.
So, to all these people who just keep saying "maybe next show, maybe next show", you should actually hop in your ride, go to the show, meet some of these guys in person, check out their rides, ask them questions (you'd be surprised even the big ones are nice, lol), and most importantly listen to their advice, and give their ideas a try. Then come back to the next comp, and see if you learned anything from the last one.
When you actually think about it, the small cost to enter a show, is nothing compared to what you could potentially gain in system abilities just from talking to people there, physically looking at what is talked about. Let them fiddle with your system. If you don't like the results, you can always change them back later. I've seen competitors gain over 10db at their first show, just talking to people and letting them "fiddle".
I know it only took me one comp to get hooked and I drove over 5 hours to get there.
first one i went to was about a 4 hour drive... and now i try to get to every one i can! there fun!
11-16-2010, 07:01 PM
#30
I don't think thats a bad strategy at all. If you're gonna learn, why not learn from the best?
