Budget SQ - minimum sub requirements.
11-23-2008, 11:16 PM
#41
Checked it out. Is that too good to be true? $1000 under retail...?
Clarion DPX2250. 125 x 2 @ 4 ohms. This is linked to the Number1Sound site. Appears to be last years model, as the Clarion site lists a 2251, which puts out 180W x 2. If he's bringing in the new models, maybe he'll want to move these for less.
We're not getting all this gear at once. Probably going to take 8-12 months to piece it together. We've got a wedding to plan and pay for as well, lol. Geez, do I have my priorities straight, or what?
We have picked out a Kenwood Excelon KDCx592. It's being installed on the 28th. $315 after tax for H.U, wiring harness, hardware kit, and this shop has a free install deal going on right now.
Clarion DPX2250. 125 x 2 @ 4 ohms. This is linked to the Number1Sound site. Appears to be last years model, as the Clarion site lists a 2251, which puts out 180W x 2. If he's bringing in the new models, maybe he'll want to move these for less.
We're not getting all this gear at once. Probably going to take 8-12 months to piece it together. We've got a wedding to plan and pay for as well, lol. Geez, do I have my priorities straight, or what?
We have picked out a Kenwood Excelon KDCx592. It's being installed on the 28th. $315 after tax for H.U, wiring harness, hardware kit, and this shop has a free install deal going on right now.
That Clarion is 2-channel, so useless in your application. That DLS amp is your best option. The seller is a good man. His name is Steve. I have bought a bunch of DLS gear from him a little while ago. I know others, who also bought other gear, and are very happy. This is his last piece of DLS if he still has it. Steve loves his high-end stuff. Check out his feedback, it's all good. Grab it and run! Dont forget to chime in later and tell us how it sounds in your install. I have a 2-channel Ultimate DLS, and the sound is superb. Blows your other options out of the water, easily. Also, 1 ohm stable on the sub with whopping power. Let me say, if Audison Lrx and Genesis Dual Mono got together, DLS Ultimate would be their child, and then this child got on steroids...
Last edited by Sasha; 11-23-2008 at 11:26 PM.
11-24-2008, 12:07 AM
#42
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Fawk! Reading up on DLS a little more, and I'm sold.
My better-half just wants to make sure that we get some kind of warranty coverage.
I looked at Zotman21's feedback page. That should speak volumes. I see, Sasha, that you bought something from him. What kind of warranty comes with the equipment?
Hopefully I'm not too late. I'll drive to Mississauga in the morning if need be.
My better-half just wants to make sure that we get some kind of warranty coverage.
I looked at Zotman21's feedback page. That should speak volumes. I see, Sasha, that you bought something from him. What kind of warranty comes with the equipment?
Hopefully I'm not too late. I'll drive to Mississauga in the morning if need be.
11-24-2008, 12:42 AM
#43
Yeah, man! DLS Ultimate is their top range stuff, not just plain DLS Performance/Classic/Reference, but highest end. It is truly an amazing sounding amp, and overbuilt like a tank. Warranty, hum, you gotta pay extra for that, and pay retail. This is the choice you gotta make, buy inferior product with warranty, or sweet gear and take a chance. Warranty is never free, you pay for it, as the price is built into the product when you buy it in the store. Look at it this way, if it will work for a year, it already redeemed itself warranty wise. I would think you should not have a problem with DLS, as their stuff is built with highest regard to build quality. Steve is not here to scam anyone either. Anyway, I would have to say, there are no guarantees with second hand product, thats why the price is waaaay lower.
Last edited by Sasha; 11-24-2008 at 12:45 AM.
11-24-2008, 04:22 PM
#44
The Memphis that I mentioned earlier, although it is used, has a 1 year warranty on it and is pretty much in flawless condition cosmetically. It will do 600w rms 1 ohm mono. The Soundstream amp that I mentioned as well would be a great match to what you are requiring in the system you are interested in. It is a nice balance of power between the front and the rear and the sub. It is not overwhelming for output, yet enough to make the system behave properly.
11-25-2008, 01:09 PM
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Well, I've got the amp all lined up. Going to pick it up on Thursday morning. Now I have a number to work with, 500W @ 2 ohm.
I'm trying to find a sub that'll handle that 500W cleanly, and I keep leaning towards a JL Audio 12W6v2-D4.
The price is a lot more than I intended to set aside for her sub. So I'm thinking I'll go el cheapo on a crappy sub at first, just so she has 'something', while setting aside the funds to acquire one of these.
What other brands would you guys recommend that can handle 500W nicely. If we can keep it below $300, that'd be nice. The next step is finding someone to build us a ported enclosure.
Volume (net int.) 1.50 cu. ft. / 42.5 liters
External Dimensions
(Width x Height x Depth) 26.25 in. x 14 in. x 13 in.
Slot Port Internal Dimensions
(Slot Width x Slot Height x Slot Length) 1.5 in x 12.5 in x 29 in.
Port Extension Length (EL) ~ 16 in. 406 mm
Tune to: (Hz) 32.2/ F3 (Hz)33.0
Thanks again guys.
Edit: I just had a quick glance at the DD subs that MR2NR carries. The recommended volume for a 10" 1500 series is the same size as the 12" JL audio. To go for the 12" 1500, it recommends a 2.5cuft enclosure. That's too big for her small car. How likely would it be that the 10" DD came close to performing like the 12" JL? What's the price on the DD1510?
I'm trying to find a sub that'll handle that 500W cleanly, and I keep leaning towards a JL Audio 12W6v2-D4.
The price is a lot more than I intended to set aside for her sub. So I'm thinking I'll go el cheapo on a crappy sub at first, just so she has 'something', while setting aside the funds to acquire one of these.
What other brands would you guys recommend that can handle 500W nicely. If we can keep it below $300, that'd be nice. The next step is finding someone to build us a ported enclosure.
Volume (net int.) 1.50 cu. ft. / 42.5 liters
External Dimensions
(Width x Height x Depth) 26.25 in. x 14 in. x 13 in.
Slot Port Internal Dimensions
(Slot Width x Slot Height x Slot Length) 1.5 in x 12.5 in x 29 in.
Port Extension Length (EL) ~ 16 in. 406 mm
Tune to: (Hz) 32.2/ F3 (Hz)33.0
Thanks again guys.
Edit: I just had a quick glance at the DD subs that MR2NR carries. The recommended volume for a 10" 1500 series is the same size as the 12" JL audio. To go for the 12" 1500, it recommends a 2.5cuft enclosure. That's too big for her small car. How likely would it be that the 10" DD came close to performing like the 12" JL? What's the price on the DD1510?
Last edited by TragicMagic; 11-25-2008 at 01:16 PM.
11-25-2008, 02:24 PM
#46
Waste of money going with el cheapo sub, as it adds unnecessary steps and adds cost at the end. Do it right the first time. You said that it will take a while to put it together anyways, so do it right, dont waste time and money. Try to find someone who works at Best Buy, and offer him to buy you a 12" JBL GTI so that you save money and he has incentive to do it for you. The sub I believe is a dual 3 ohm, so you can wire it to 1.5 ohms, and the box size I believe is around 1.5 cubes, which is what you wanted. That DLS amp is 1 ohm stable on the sub stage, so it is perfect.
11-25-2008, 03:11 PM
#47
I would short list the Eclipse SW7200 in this as well. It operates in either a small (1.25cuft.) sealed box or a larger ported box. It offers stunning tonal response and deep bass extension as well. This sub will deliver the results that you need at the $ you would like to spend.
Sasha, to recommend someone who works at a store to buy it for you and cheat the system is asking the person to put his paycheque and all future paycheques on the line. Not a good idea and most certainly unprofessional. I find out that my guy does that to me and he gets canned on the spot. Don't think that it would not be any different somewhere else either. Would you risk your livelihood to save a guy a couple bucks? What if the salesperson who gets caught had a family to support?
Sasha, to recommend someone who works at a store to buy it for you and cheat the system is asking the person to put his paycheque and all future paycheques on the line. Not a good idea and most certainly unprofessional. I find out that my guy does that to me and he gets canned on the spot. Don't think that it would not be any different somewhere else either. Would you risk your livelihood to save a guy a couple bucks? What if the salesperson who gets caught had a family to support?
11-25-2008, 03:45 PM
#48
Sasha, to recommend someone who works at a store to buy it for you and cheat the system is asking the person to put his paycheque and all future paycheques on the line. Not a good idea and most certainly unprofessional. I find out that my guy does that to me and he gets canned on the spot. Don't think that it would not be any different somewhere else either. Would you risk your livelihood to save a guy a couple bucks? What if the salesperson who gets caught had a family to support?
Duely noted, agreed, and taken back in regard to the scam. I should have known better. Best Buy however is flooded by kids, who do not think of concequences and have no families to support and want a quick buck, and at the end that person has to make that decision, as nobody's twisting their arm. I do feel that I have made a mistake suggesting this with no regard to other members on CCA, who are vendors, so mabad, and I appologize for that.
My JBL GTI sub suggestion still stands, if he can get it for a good price somewhere. I really like that he can operate it at 1.5 ohms, cause it will be perfect with that DLS amp. And no worries about power sharing issues, as I believe that DLS model has separate power supplies for front and sub stage, so there will be no "shrouding" where the sub will hog the amperage intended for the fronts. It should be very nice, indeed!
Last edited by Sasha; 11-25-2008 at 03:51 PM.
11-25-2008, 11:25 PM
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Shame on you, Sasha! . People used to ask me to do that when I was 16 -17 working at Sears. Never did though. My mom got me the job there, so if I got caught I would have embarrassed us both.
I read that this amp is stable down to 1.33 ohms. I think I'd like to keep it running at 2 ohm.
The GTi doesn't appear to be available from Best Buy. If it is, they only show the GTO1202D on the website. They GTi's look bad-***. I assume they sound as good as they look.
I like the JL's for their simplistic look, too. Nothing flashy. Don't draw too much attention. The JL Audio website has to be one of the most well done sites as far as getting information, and navigating through the site. The charts with the power rating and recommendations is really good. They're the only brand I've seen that tells you an optimum wattage, and its not necessarily the RMS.
. People used to ask me to do that when I was 16 -17 working at Sears. Never did though. My mom got me the job there, so if I got caught I would have embarrassed us both.I read that this amp is stable down to 1.33 ohms. I think I'd like to keep it running at 2 ohm.
The GTi doesn't appear to be available from Best Buy. If it is, they only show the GTO1202D on the website. They GTi's look bad-***. I assume they sound as good as they look.
I like the JL's for their simplistic look, too. Nothing flashy. Don't draw too much attention. The JL Audio website has to be one of the most well done sites as far as getting information, and navigating through the site. The charts with the power rating and recommendations is really good. They're the only brand I've seen that tells you an optimum wattage, and its not necessarily the RMS.
11-26-2008, 01:47 AM
#50
DLS is stable to 1 ohm - no problem, but 2 ohms is better than 1 ohm for efficiency, so you will be very happy with 2 ohm set-up on the sub. That JL W6 is really nice, and will fill the low notes nicely. You will have a really amazing amp and a sub. Make it a 12". And Hertz High Energy fronts will sound sweet. I am glad we steered you in the right direction with proper gear.
Last edited by Sasha; 11-26-2008 at 01:52 AM.
