Focal VS Hybrid Audio
07-27-2009, 05:36 PM
#91
^^^
Under a different topic.
I still dont see how any of this pretains to the quality of the Hybrid speaker line or how IASCA is unfair. I think Mr. hheatt should retract his statments about that first. I guess that your fairly new to audio (from your comments) so I can forgive you for that. But you need to think a little before you jump on a forum and complain about somthing that has little relation to what you actually want to say. Hybrid build good quality speakers, there should be no question about that, if you dont like them just say why hopefully in an upbiased fashion. IASCA is good organization and while it has it's faults I dont think judges are picking winners based on product used. And I would also say Jason is a good guy, he has worked hard for car audio over that last bunch of years. If you dont like his instalitions, fine complain about that, but leave the rest for people who have a better understanding of the topic in question.
Under a different topic.
I still dont see how any of this pretains to the quality of the Hybrid speaker line or how IASCA is unfair. I think Mr. hheatt should retract his statments about that first. I guess that your fairly new to audio (from your comments) so I can forgive you for that. But you need to think a little before you jump on a forum and complain about somthing that has little relation to what you actually want to say. Hybrid build good quality speakers, there should be no question about that, if you dont like them just say why hopefully in an upbiased fashion. IASCA is good organization and while it has it's faults I dont think judges are picking winners based on product used. And I would also say Jason is a good guy, he has worked hard for car audio over that last bunch of years. If you dont like his instalitions, fine complain about that, but leave the rest for people who have a better understanding of the topic in question.
07-27-2009, 06:07 PM
#92
Yankee
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,599
^^^ Fozz he is just doing everything he can to hurt Jason. I can understand being POed and I am sure there is a major disconnect in communication or something along those lines. I dont really like the way this thread has gone as there is so much 'partisan' information and misinformation. Neither product (Focal or Hybrid) is worthy of badmouthing as they both deserve to be considered in a SQ build.
this thread really isnt the place for financial dispute as I think some folks are jumping the gun a bit (communicate better folks this was obviously not done AT ALL), then once your claim is denied then this is when you flog the vendor.
I think starting this thread and using it the way it has been used is very deceitful... and frankly mr. hheat should apologize to IASCA as it has done nothing to deserve the badmouthing... even if everything about the build is 100% true. I hope everyone gets the satisfaction they need/ deserve in this dispute
this thread really isnt the place for financial dispute as I think some folks are jumping the gun a bit (communicate better folks this was obviously not done AT ALL), then once your claim is denied then this is when you flog the vendor.
I think starting this thread and using it the way it has been used is very deceitful... and frankly mr. hheat should apologize to IASCA as it has done nothing to deserve the badmouthing... even if everything about the build is 100% true. I hope everyone gets the satisfaction they need/ deserve in this dispute
07-27-2009, 06:37 PM
#93
well put
^^^ Fozz he is just doing everything he can to hurt Jason. I can understand being POed and I am sure there is a major disconnect in communication or something along those lines. I dont really like the way this thread has gone as there is so much 'partisan' information and misinformation. Neither product (Focal or Hybrid) is worthy of badmouthing as they both deserve to be considered in a SQ build.
this thread really isnt the place for financial dispute as I think some folks are jumping the gun a bit (communicate better folks this was obviously not done AT ALL), then once your claim is denied then this is when you flog the vendor.
I think starting this thread and using it the way it has been used is very deceitful... and frankly mr. hheat should apologize to IASCA as it has done nothing to deserve the badmouthing... even if everything about the build is 100% true. I hope everyone gets the satisfaction they need/ deserve in this dispute
this thread really isnt the place for financial dispute as I think some folks are jumping the gun a bit (communicate better folks this was obviously not done AT ALL), then once your claim is denied then this is when you flog the vendor.
I think starting this thread and using it the way it has been used is very deceitful... and frankly mr. hheat should apologize to IASCA as it has done nothing to deserve the badmouthing... even if everything about the build is 100% true. I hope everyone gets the satisfaction they need/ deserve in this dispute
07-27-2009, 07:23 PM
#94
As the title of this thread states Focal vs Hybrid Audio, so lets get this thread back on track – SINCE EVERY ONE IS ENTITLED TO MY OPTION. 
I’m assuming you are referring to my car. Hello, I’m the Honda Fit guy mentioned in this thread – I’m an ‘X’ focal K2P owner and now a Hybrid Audio Technologies owner. I also am part of Team Hybrids Canada after I bought the drivers and applied to be on the team - not the other way around - JUST TO BE CLEAR
My setup is to play decently loud and image as how it sounds right off recording studios monitors(speakers). Not for my neighbours, family, wife. Me, I'm driving the car no one else.
Ok lets get down to the build quality internal/external facts. First lets talk numbers US Pricing – Woofersetc.com(focal) - 12velectronics.com(hybrids)
Focal K2 power 165 KRX3
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- $1899.99 Retail on Sale 1399.99 US
Hybrid Audio Technologies LEGATIA L631v2- $899.99 US
Hybrid Audio Technologies LEGATIA L631PRO- $1,029.99 US
------------My impression of the Focal 165 KRX3------------
I briefly heard them and wasn't impressed at all. The same Focal sound I had with my previous KP100 and 165KBE. I couldn't even finish the the first 30seconds without getting out. Not a surprise to my ear that's for sure. One thing I'll say they are loud and stay together. Great, but how great will that be when I'm 60 and can't listen music without having it loud just to hear it.
-------------Crossovers ---------------
Focal has passive crossover and Hybrid does not as of yet - Someone please clear this one up.
--------------------Tweeters---------------------
TN53:
Information provided by: Focal America
- Aluminum Face with Metal mesh grill - The mounting of the driver is not clear on the website
- Direct wired from factory
- Cone Diameter; 20.4mm – 13/16”
- Voice Coil 13/16”
- Cone: inverted woven aramid fiber
- Nominal Power 15watts
- Maximum Power 100watts
- Sensitivity 95db
- Frequency Range – see the graph on Focal-America.com
- Norminal Impedance 8 ohms
- weights 178grams
Legatia L1v2:
Information provided by: http://www.hybrid-audio.com/Legatia%20L1V2.pdf
- Surface-mount tweeter with three 3mm screw holes to secure the tweeter body from the front
- Solid machined aluminum
- Polypropylene rear cap
- Push terminals
- Cone Diameter: 20 mm (3/4-inch)
- Voice Coil Diameter: 20 mm (3/4-inch)
- Cone: fine silk cloth
- 10 watts Pnom: Rated Power Input (No Crossover)
- 20 watts Pmax: Maximum Power Input (No Crossover)
- 75 watts Pmax (With Recommended Minimum Crossover)
- Frequency Range 2,500 Hz – 25,000 Hz, +/- 3 dB
- Sensitivity 90db
- Norminal Impedance 4 ohms
- Weight:
Legatia L1 PRO:
Information provided by:http://www.hybrid-audio.com/Legatia%20L1%20Pro.pdf
- Surface-mount tweeter with standard-pitch M46 X 8mm thick knurled thread aluminum adapter to secure the tweeter body from the rear
- Solid machined aluminum
- Polypropylene tuning chamber
- Push terminals
- Cone Diameter: 1”
- Voice Coil Diameter: 25mm (1-inch)
- Cone: fine silk cloth
- 20 watts Pnom: Rated Power Input (No Crossover)
- 40 watts Pmax: Maximum Power Input (No Crossover)
- 100 watts Pmax (With Recommended Minimum Crossover)
- Frequency Range Fs (700 Hz) – 31,000 Hz, +/- 3 dB
- Sensitivity 91.5
- Norminal Impedance 4 ohms
- Weight:
----------------Midrange---------------
3 KRX3 -
Information provided by: www.Focal-America.com
- Polished Aluminum Face with Aluminum basket - Plastic Grill Baffle with a Metal Grill
- Voice Coil 25mm – 0.98”
- Cone: CKMV Sandwich Structure: CKMV - What is that?????
This is what I found on the net: Sandwich Structure a unique concept membrane Kevlar Structural foam Glass tissue The low mass can be delicately adjusted by adding glass tissue skins The sandwich structure is extremely rigid The damping can be precisely adjusted by varying the foam’s thickness
- Cone Diameter: 73mm - 2 15/16”
- Nominal Power 50watts
- Maximum Power 100watts
- Sensitivity 90db
- Frequency Range – see the graph on Focal-America.com
- Nominal Impedance 4 ohms
- Weight: 196grams
Legatia L3 -
Information provided by: http://www.hybrid-audio.com/Legatia%20L3.pdf
- Aluminum cast basket
- Cone: Paper
- Voice Coil 25.5mm – 1”
- Cone Diameter: 93 mm - 3.7”
- 25 watts Pnom: Rated Power Input (No Crossover)
- 50 watts Pmax: Maximum Power Input (No Crossover)
- 125 watts Pmax (With Recommended Minimum Crossover)- Maximum Power
- Sensitivity 85db
- Frequency Range – 129 Hz - 10,000 Hz, +/- 3 dB
- Nominal Impedance 4 ohms
- Weight:
----------------Midrange/Midbass--------------------
6 KRX3 –
Information provided by: www.Focal-America.com
- Polished Aluminum Face with Aluminum basket - Plastic Grill Baffle with a Metal Grill
- Voice Coil 40mm – 1 9/16”
- Cone: CKMV Sandwich Structure:
- Cone Diameter: 141mm – 5-1/2”
- Xmax 5.5mm 3/16”
- Nominal Power 100watts
- Maximum Power 200watts
- Sensitivity 93db
- Frequency Range – see the graph on Focal-America.com
- Nominal Impedance 2 ohms
- Weight: 295grams
Legatia L6 –
Information provided by: http://www.hybrid-audio.com/Legatia%20L6.pdf
- Polished Aluminum Face with Aluminum basket - Plastic Grill Baffle with a Metal Grill
- Voice Coil 40mm – 1 9/16”
- Cone: Paper
- Cone Diameter: 181 mm (7.1-inch)
- 60 watts Pnom: Rated Power Input (No Crossover)
- 120 watts Pmax: Maximum Power Input (No Crossover)
- 175 watts Pmax (With Recommended Minimum Crossover)- Maximum Power
- Xmax 6 mm
- Sensitivity 89db
- Frequency Range – see the graph on Focal-America.com
- Nominal Impedance 2 ohms
- Weight:
Being that the hybrid products are housed with Aluminum, Just like the focals – I can’t fathom how you came to this conclusion. Please point out the sony speakers you saw at futureshop? I can’t find “component speakers systems” made by Sony that house dome tweeters?
Don’t you mean doesn’t play loud enough to be heard blocks away?
Hybrid Audio is Newish company but far from Immature read: About Us
Congrats on your choice. I disagree in the choice but, that’s my opinion.
What a load of bullshit. Jason has done nothing but support the 12volt industry in a positive way. He does everything to separate himself from Hybrid Audio at competitions.
At Daytona in March 2009, Jason requested he not judge sound due to the fact that every class had Hybrid equipped vehicles. He was able to judge install on many hybrid cars, and scored then properly. How do I know this? Because several of my fellow USA Hybrid team members came up to me and said he’s f’n strict and thorough.
Last year at Eastern Finals in Peterborough - my very first competition to date, I took home 4th place(last) with my Focal K2 power speakers. Yes a Hybrid equipped vehicle(MTT) took home first in Rookie. Jason also removed himself from the actual SQc judging process since Bubba(red monte carlo) was tuned by him and hehe wouldn’t judge it since it could be turned around again him and IASCA.
As for Hybrid winning ALL shows comment and the competitions being rigged: The only Hybrid car who has won all 2009 SQi and SQc Eastern Canadian shows to date is me. Yes, Jason has some input in the tuning of the hybrid cars but DOES NOT decide the final outcome for every car. All judges follow the IASCA score sheets and IASCA rules books.
Let's all move on and focus on the steaks and not the peas.
I’m assuming you are referring to my car. Hello, I’m the Honda Fit guy mentioned in this thread – I’m an ‘X’ focal K2P owner and now a Hybrid Audio Technologies owner. I also am part of Team Hybrids Canada after I bought the drivers and applied to be on the team - not the other way around - JUST TO BE CLEAR
My setup is to play decently loud and image as how it sounds right off recording studios monitors(speakers). Not for my neighbours, family, wife. Me, I'm driving the car no one else.
Now when i got a chance to hold both the HATs and Focals in my hand i noticed a huge difference in quality. You can tell Focal has been making speakers for a very long time and they really do there research to make an outstanding car audio and home audio speaker that compare to only the best!
Ok lets get down to the build quality internal/external facts. First lets talk numbers US Pricing – Woofersetc.com(focal) - 12velectronics.com(hybrids)
Focal K2 power 165 KRX3
\- $1899.99 Retail on Sale 1399.99 US
Hybrid Audio Technologies LEGATIA L631v2- $899.99 US
Hybrid Audio Technologies LEGATIA L631PRO- $1,029.99 US
------------My impression of the Focal 165 KRX3------------
I briefly heard them and wasn't impressed at all. The same Focal sound I had with my previous KP100 and 165KBE. I couldn't even finish the the first 30seconds without getting out. Not a surprise to my ear that's for sure. One thing I'll say they are loud and stay together. Great, but how great will that be when I'm 60 and can't listen music without having it loud just to hear it.
-------------Crossovers ---------------
Focal has passive crossover and Hybrid does not as of yet - Someone please clear this one up.
--------------------Tweeters---------------------
TN53:
Information provided by: Focal America
- Aluminum Face with Metal mesh grill - The mounting of the driver is not clear on the website
- Direct wired from factory
- Cone Diameter; 20.4mm – 13/16”
- Voice Coil 13/16”
- Cone: inverted woven aramid fiber
- Nominal Power 15watts
- Maximum Power 100watts
- Sensitivity 95db
- Frequency Range – see the graph on Focal-America.com
- Norminal Impedance 8 ohms
- weights 178grams
Legatia L1v2:
Information provided by: http://www.hybrid-audio.com/Legatia%20L1V2.pdf
- Surface-mount tweeter with three 3mm screw holes to secure the tweeter body from the front
- Solid machined aluminum
- Polypropylene rear cap
- Push terminals
- Cone Diameter: 20 mm (3/4-inch)
- Voice Coil Diameter: 20 mm (3/4-inch)
- Cone: fine silk cloth
- 10 watts Pnom: Rated Power Input (No Crossover)
- 20 watts Pmax: Maximum Power Input (No Crossover)
- 75 watts Pmax (With Recommended Minimum Crossover)
- Frequency Range 2,500 Hz – 25,000 Hz, +/- 3 dB
- Sensitivity 90db
- Norminal Impedance 4 ohms
- Weight:
Legatia L1 PRO:
Information provided by:http://www.hybrid-audio.com/Legatia%20L1%20Pro.pdf
- Surface-mount tweeter with standard-pitch M46 X 8mm thick knurled thread aluminum adapter to secure the tweeter body from the rear
- Solid machined aluminum
- Polypropylene tuning chamber
- Push terminals
- Cone Diameter: 1”
- Voice Coil Diameter: 25mm (1-inch)
- Cone: fine silk cloth
- 20 watts Pnom: Rated Power Input (No Crossover)
- 40 watts Pmax: Maximum Power Input (No Crossover)
- 100 watts Pmax (With Recommended Minimum Crossover)
- Frequency Range Fs (700 Hz) – 31,000 Hz, +/- 3 dB
- Sensitivity 91.5
- Norminal Impedance 4 ohms
- Weight:
----------------Midrange---------------
3 KRX3 -
Information provided by: www.Focal-America.com
- Polished Aluminum Face with Aluminum basket - Plastic Grill Baffle with a Metal Grill
- Voice Coil 25mm – 0.98”
- Cone: CKMV Sandwich Structure: CKMV - What is that?????
This is what I found on the net: Sandwich Structure a unique concept membrane Kevlar Structural foam Glass tissue The low mass can be delicately adjusted by adding glass tissue skins The sandwich structure is extremely rigid The damping can be precisely adjusted by varying the foam’s thickness
- Cone Diameter: 73mm - 2 15/16”
- Nominal Power 50watts
- Maximum Power 100watts
- Sensitivity 90db
- Frequency Range – see the graph on Focal-America.com
- Nominal Impedance 4 ohms
- Weight: 196grams
Legatia L3 -
Information provided by: http://www.hybrid-audio.com/Legatia%20L3.pdf
- Aluminum cast basket
- Cone: Paper
- Voice Coil 25.5mm – 1”
- Cone Diameter: 93 mm - 3.7”
- 25 watts Pnom: Rated Power Input (No Crossover)
- 50 watts Pmax: Maximum Power Input (No Crossover)
- 125 watts Pmax (With Recommended Minimum Crossover)- Maximum Power
- Sensitivity 85db
- Frequency Range – 129 Hz - 10,000 Hz, +/- 3 dB
- Nominal Impedance 4 ohms
- Weight:
----------------Midrange/Midbass--------------------
6 KRX3 –
Information provided by: www.Focal-America.com
- Polished Aluminum Face with Aluminum basket - Plastic Grill Baffle with a Metal Grill
- Voice Coil 40mm – 1 9/16”
- Cone: CKMV Sandwich Structure:
- Cone Diameter: 141mm – 5-1/2”
- Xmax 5.5mm 3/16”
- Nominal Power 100watts
- Maximum Power 200watts
- Sensitivity 93db
- Frequency Range – see the graph on Focal-America.com
- Nominal Impedance 2 ohms
- Weight: 295grams
Legatia L6 –
Information provided by: http://www.hybrid-audio.com/Legatia%20L6.pdf
- Polished Aluminum Face with Aluminum basket - Plastic Grill Baffle with a Metal Grill
- Voice Coil 40mm – 1 9/16”
- Cone: Paper
- Cone Diameter: 181 mm (7.1-inch)
- 60 watts Pnom: Rated Power Input (No Crossover)
- 120 watts Pmax: Maximum Power Input (No Crossover)
- 175 watts Pmax (With Recommended Minimum Crossover)- Maximum Power
- Xmax 6 mm
- Sensitivity 89db
- Frequency Range – see the graph on Focal-America.com
- Nominal Impedance 2 ohms
- Weight:
Being that the hybrid products are housed with Aluminum, Just like the focals – I can’t fathom how you came to this conclusion. Please point out the sony speakers you saw at futureshop? I can’t find “component speakers systems” made by Sony that house dome tweeters?
Don’t you mean doesn’t play loud enough to be heard blocks away?
Hybrid Audio is Newish company but far from Immature read: About Us
P.S. I got an inside tip for everyone that plans on competing in any IASCA shows, if you wanna win install Hybrid Audio because the head judge is a silent partner for Hybrid Audio and if that doesn't work and you still get beat that's only because the vehicle who beat you is a sponsored Hybrid car...How fair is that? Wow who knows what to believe Hybrid wins all these shows but who makes the final decisions? a Hybrid partner?!? figure that one out!
At Daytona in March 2009, Jason requested he not judge sound due to the fact that every class had Hybrid equipped vehicles. He was able to judge install on many hybrid cars, and scored then properly. How do I know this? Because several of my fellow USA Hybrid team members came up to me and said he’s f’n strict and thorough.
Last year at Eastern Finals in Peterborough - my very first competition to date, I took home 4th place(last) with my Focal K2 power speakers. Yes a Hybrid equipped vehicle(MTT) took home first in Rookie. Jason also removed himself from the actual SQc judging process since Bubba(red monte carlo) was tuned by him and hehe wouldn’t judge it since it could be turned around again him and IASCA.
As for Hybrid winning ALL shows comment and the competitions being rigged: The only Hybrid car who has won all 2009 SQi and SQc Eastern Canadian shows to date is me. Yes, Jason has some input in the tuning of the hybrid cars but DOES NOT decide the final outcome for every car. All judges follow the IASCA score sheets and IASCA rules books.
Let's all move on and focus on the steaks and not the peas.
Last edited by avidedtr; 07-27-2009 at 07:26 PM.
07-27-2009, 07:38 PM
#95
Type Error
Legatia L6 –
Information provided by: http://www.hybrid-audio.com/Legatia%20L6.pdf
- Aluminum basket
- Voice Coil 35.55 mm (1.4-inch)
- Cone: Paper
- Cone Diameter: 181 mm (7.1-inch)
- 60 watts Pnom: Rated Power Input (No Crossover)
- 120 watts Pmax: Maximum Power Input (No Crossover)
- 175 watts Pmax (With Recommended Minimum Crossover)- Maximum Power
- Xmax 6 mm
- Sensitivity 89db
- Frequency Range – 51 Hz – 5,100 Hz, +/- 3 dB
- Nominal Impedance 4 ohms
- Weight:
Legatia L6 –
Information provided by: http://www.hybrid-audio.com/Legatia%20L6.pdf
- Aluminum basket
- Voice Coil 35.55 mm (1.4-inch)
- Cone: Paper
- Cone Diameter: 181 mm (7.1-inch)
- 60 watts Pnom: Rated Power Input (No Crossover)
- 120 watts Pmax: Maximum Power Input (No Crossover)
- 175 watts Pmax (With Recommended Minimum Crossover)- Maximum Power
- Xmax 6 mm
- Sensitivity 89db
- Frequency Range – 51 Hz – 5,100 Hz, +/- 3 dB
- Nominal Impedance 4 ohms
- Weight:
07-27-2009, 08:14 PM
#97
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I think hheat should put some pics up of the install that jason did....put up or shut up as the saying goes.....if its a hack job as you say stop talking about it and lets have a look.......
07-27-2009, 10:56 PM
#99
Yankee
Join Date: Oct 2003
Posts: 3,599
God help any of us if all our errors were paraded in full color
07-28-2009, 01:17 AM
#100
Okay where do i start.... first off i think i did apologize to all the judges but i will apologize to IASCA i have no issues and my little P.S. statement was bullshit really just trying to **** "Mr.Know It All" off!
Second you guys have all amazing points all right! 100%...I should not have started here but at the time "Mr.Know It All" wasn't answering his phone and i was bored young immature and started saying bullshit **at first**
My bitching does not have to do with the way it looks it looks sick never once said it didn't!
My issues were being Ripped off!, original budget was $1500 he changed it to $2000 because he convinced me it would be worth it and he would do extra...which he did not. The extra $500 went somewhere i dont know where "Mr.Know It All" was supposed to do everything himself he chose to hire "honda Fit" if he paid him i dont know the $500 could have went to him no idea. But "honda fit" built my box because when i went over a couple times 50% of the time "Mr.Know It All" was working on someone elses vehicle and the only person who had patience and did not talk down to me was "honda fit"!
Also all the things he didn't do not going to go through them if you read my mess of a story there ALL in there! ( all the stuff he broke has not been fixed) coulnd't see myself paying him more money to fix is mistakes!
Again all previous convos about HAT and Focal are half my opinion the rest BS...im just a Focal fan obviously lol...
and have had access,polyglass,k2p...and "honda fit" is right for SQ HAT does better you will know this if you have ever sat in MR Fits car!!! Crazy! but hes right im young dumb have to huge subs that shake everything ive went for SPL and now i want something to scream a block away until im deaf and i think Focal can do that well thats all!
So after all that said again came off as a huge idiot jackass but was pissed, sooo angry as u can imagine if you been keeping posted and the only things "Mr.Know It All" can do is drop off $500 in a envelope at my door! and i will keep my mouth shut and forget the hole thing never happened!
Sorry if i forgot anything i was at work missed a lot to much good stuff to take all in haha!
Oh yah "FIT" you keep on surprising me time after time after time dude haha you put a lot of work into your post well appreciated!!!!!
Peace!
Second you guys have all amazing points all right! 100%...I should not have started here but at the time "Mr.Know It All" wasn't answering his phone and i was bored young immature and started saying bullshit **at first**
My bitching does not have to do with the way it looks it looks sick never once said it didn't!
My issues were being Ripped off!, original budget was $1500 he changed it to $2000 because he convinced me it would be worth it and he would do extra...which he did not. The extra $500 went somewhere i dont know where "Mr.Know It All" was supposed to do everything himself he chose to hire "honda Fit" if he paid him i dont know the $500 could have went to him no idea. But "honda fit" built my box because when i went over a couple times 50% of the time "Mr.Know It All" was working on someone elses vehicle and the only person who had patience and did not talk down to me was "honda fit"!
Also all the things he didn't do not going to go through them if you read my mess of a story there ALL in there! ( all the stuff he broke has not been fixed) coulnd't see myself paying him more money to fix is mistakes!
Again all previous convos about HAT and Focal are half my opinion the rest BS...im just a Focal fan obviously lol...
and have had access,polyglass,k2p...and "honda fit" is right for SQ HAT does better you will know this if you have ever sat in MR Fits car!!! Crazy! but hes right im young dumb have to huge subs that shake everything ive went for SPL and now i want something to scream a block away until im deaf and i think Focal can do that well thats all!So after all that said again came off as a huge idiot jackass but was pissed, sooo angry as u can imagine if you been keeping posted and the only things "Mr.Know It All" can do is drop off $500 in a envelope at my door! and i will keep my mouth shut and forget the hole thing never happened!
Sorry if i forgot anything i was at work missed a lot to much good stuff to take all in haha!
Oh yah "FIT" you keep on surprising me time after time after time dude haha you put a lot of work into your post well appreciated!!!!!
Peace!
Last edited by hheatt; 07-28-2009 at 01:22 AM.
