Phaze-Audio vs. Butler Tubeamp
11-28-2005, 04:45 AM
#61
Originally posted by pinhead:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Newb:
you cannot feel small horsepower increases by the feel of it
people who claim they can are like people who can hear amps
when put in the situation they always fail </font>
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Newb:
Not every aftermarket intake is a steel tube with a cone filter for a 4 cyl economy car.
Just face it, your analogy sucked if you wanted to "prove" that all amps sound the same.
Just face it, your analogy sucked if you wanted to "prove" that all amps sound the same.
people who claim they can are like people who can hear amps
when put in the situation they always fail </font>
25-40 dyno hp is not a small increase. If you don't notice that when driving you should go buy a Geo Metro.
Same with amps, if you don't notice the difference, go buy junk. Below clip point in ideal conditions, I don't believe that I can tell the difference, however with the way that real people use amps, I'll take quality amps with lots of headroom any day of the week.
11-28-2005, 06:19 AM
#62
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hey buddy i was an automotive machinist before i did car audio
if you know what that is
so go blow wind somewhere else
if you know what that is
so go blow wind somewhere else
11-28-2005, 06:22 AM
#63
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http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/u...x.cfm/id/2165/
so your saying you can get a 33%increase of power from a tube with a filter
you really need to wake up
so your saying you can get a 33%increase of power from a tube with a filter
you really need to wake up
11-28-2005, 06:24 AM
#64
Originally posted by Newb:
Same with amps, if you don't notice the difference, go buy junk. Below clip point in ideal conditions, I don't believe that I can tell the difference, however with the way that real people use amps, I'll take quality amps with lots of headroom any day of the week.
Same with amps, if you don't notice the difference, go buy junk. Below clip point in ideal conditions, I don't believe that I can tell the difference, however with the way that real people use amps, I'll take quality amps with lots of headroom any day of the week.
Even most entery level brands have full range amps that can do in excess of 200watts x 2 and 1200 watt mono blocks....
11-28-2005, 11:15 AM
#65
Originally posted by pinhead:
http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/u...x.cfm/id/2165/
so your saying you can get a 33%increase of power from a tube with a filter
you really need to wake up
http://auto.consumerguide.com/auto/u...x.cfm/id/2165/
so your saying you can get a 33%increase of power from a tube with a filter
you really need to wake up
Try an aftermarket intake on 93+ LT1 Camaro's, LT1 B-Bodies, most diesel trucks, etc.
Automotive machinist means frig all to this, it's like saying you're an electrical engineer so everyone should bow down to you about sound quality
Haunz, I agree, but there are more reasons to buy quality than output/headroom. Reliability, quality of crossovers, cosmetics, flexibility, etc, etc.
11-28-2005, 11:52 AM
#66
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HaHa....... cold air intake for the Metro (expecting 20-30hp increase)! too funny...
Check out the JLT cold air intake on a 03 Cobra...JLT cold air intake thread. Here's the Dyno results... JLT Dyno Result
[ November 28, 2005, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: SweetnLow91SC ]
Check out the JLT cold air intake on a 03 Cobra...JLT cold air intake thread. Here's the Dyno results... JLT Dyno Result
[ November 28, 2005, 12:59 PM: Message edited by: SweetnLow91SC ]
11-28-2005, 11:57 AM
#67
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Look at me, I'm a superstar !!
Enough............
Enough............
11-28-2005, 12:55 PM
#68
Originally posted by Newb:
Haunz, I agree, but there are more reasons to buy quality than output/headroom. Reliability, quality of crossovers, cosmetics, flexibility, etc, etc.
Haunz, I agree, but there are more reasons to buy quality than output/headroom. Reliability, quality of crossovers, cosmetics, flexibility, etc, etc.
On a side note many no namers or chepo chinese/korean brands still preform just fine in all these catagories...
I also kinda gotta agree with pinhead on the OFF TOPIC disscussion.... unless you find a vehicle that has a severly limited air intake ur probably only going to gain 2-5% in power with a CAI.... that mustang grabbed up what? 15hp but thats still less then 3.5% gain..... IMO you would be very hard pressed to tell the difference just by driving it...
11-28-2005, 01:59 PM
#69
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whoa whoa whoa - just a minute here...
[img]graemlins/jawdrop.gif[/img]
Are you saying you let your amps CLIP???
heretic!
...Below clip point in ideal conditions, I don't believe that I can tell the difference, however with the way that real people use amps, I'll take quality amps with lots of headroom any day of the week.
Are you saying you let your amps CLIP???
heretic!
11-28-2005, 03:31 PM
#70
Originally posted by Haunz:
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Newb:
Haunz, I agree, but there are more reasons to buy quality than output/headroom. Reliability, quality of crossovers, cosmetics, flexibility, etc, etc.
</font><blockquote>quote:</font><hr />Originally posted by Newb:
Haunz, I agree, but there are more reasons to buy quality than output/headroom. Reliability, quality of crossovers, cosmetics, flexibility, etc, etc.
On a side note many no namers or chepo chinese/korean brands still preform just fine in all these catagories...
I also kinda gotta agree with pinhead on the OFF TOPIC disscussion.... unless you find a vehicle that has a severly limited air intake ur probably only going to gain 2-5% in power with a CAI.... that mustang grabbed up what? 15hp but thats still less then 3.5% gain..... IMO you would be very hard pressed to tell the difference just by driving it... </font>[/QUOTE]
I don't see how I'm "changing" my story. Anyways, you can't prove a null hypothesis scientifically, so you can't prove that amps sound identical, you can only gain data that suggests it. I personally lean towards virtually all people not being able to detect the difference if it's just a pure gain block, expecially in a car.As for the CAI idea, I've seen 30+ dyno RWHP on 93+ LT1 Camaros. I got to drive one before and after and it was a noticable difference, especially at high revs where the stock intake, that was designed specifically to limit power, was starving the engine.
