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focal k3p's
focal k2p's
avi
speaker cite does have focal
but listen to what you are going to get in a car thats like yours not ni the show room

ps if you are getting good speakers get a good amp!

JohnVroom

Focal is a well-made driver (top notch materials, and well engineered) but they are imported do the price is inflated so the price to performance is tough with ALL imported drivers (Dyn, Morel, Rainbow, Hertz, Helix, DLS etc). I tend to look for speakers that are neutral and do not have an identifiable sound "hey that sounds like a *insert brand name here*

They are VERY good drivers IF set up properly, they can be pedestrian if the installation is not maximized.

SUX 2BU

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John, that neutral sound you speak is similar to what I heard when I auditioned a set of Polykevlar components (on a Denon Z1 with Audison amps). I took it as being "Hm, they don't sound like anything extraordinary" and came away somewhat unimpressed. Nothing WRONG with the sound they produced. Just nothing that wowed me.

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Macrom comes with a lifetime warranty.

I only bring this up because none of the about speaker do and we have plenty of championships in Europe to back up our claims also that there a high quality speaker.. If that means anything to you.

[ May 29, 2005, 02:57 PM: Message edited by: Icon ]

AudioVault

What the hell is this??? I guess the rules have changed on the board!!! I agree with defro totally.
And buddy do some home work there are brands that have huge warranties exchange in 2 years is only one.

JohnVroom

That description sounds like a colored presentation, where there is simply too much engineering focus on frequency response and not on dynamics, detail, system impedance (Allison speakers, some KEF, some AR). That is typified as a smooth balance of HF, mids, and LF but a definite 'blah' flavor. Over damping, putting in too much sound treatment, over processing can all duplicate this.

Neutrality is a systematic feature where every recording is allowed to have its individual sound. The opposite of this is my old tubed CJ PV-5 preamp, it was a simply wonderful sounding preamp BUT every recording sounded rich, deep, warm, 3D... the CJ changed the sound to a romantic ideal sound. Remember some recordings are done poorly and sound lousy, the system should tell you that too. A neutral system should be as exciting, or dull, as the original recording.

[ May 29, 2005, 06:12 PM: Message edited by: JohnVroom ]

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OK prove me wrong who else does life time warranty and does exchange on those same speakers? Cause I don't know another.. Take some of your own advice k?

Your right defro.. plan and simple.

In my defense I can not sell the speakers to anyone there are dealers and distributor in place to do this it was information no one had and I offered it.

[ May 29, 2005, 03:08 PM: Message edited by: Icon ]

Sassmaster

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I'm trying to find the best tweeter placement, that seems to be what's keeping them from performing to their best, but still, they're blowing me away with their ability to play music, not just reproduce the signal.