Dude at future shop freaks out at me...
09-10-2010, 06:11 PM
#71
Goalie Man
Join Date: May 2003
Posts: 1,412
no your missing the point.. the output transisters take the power from the voltage rails and,being a linerar device send that input to output to the drivers.. now the higher the voltage coming out of the rails, the closer the outputs are to there max efficency, thats the premise behind class d amps as the outputs are constantly maxed.. now upon saturation of the voltage rails the outputs are maxed thus at full efficiency giving more energy on the output side of the fundemental frequency. and the voltage rail will be literally connected to the speaker, now this is called saturation and it happens for whatever duration of the wave exceeds the rail of the amp. on a lighter note i dont think this thread was started to discuss amp design so i will no longer be discussing amp design or how they clip in this thread... i think we have already answered his question earlier.. but nice getting to see that you are versed on amp technology.. good job.. ps i work as a head installer for f.s.
09-10-2010, 06:39 PM
#72
500 Watt CAFz'r
Join Date: Oct 2009
Posts: 730
no your missing the point.. the output transisters take the power from the voltage rails and,being a linerar device send that input to output to the drivers.. now the higher the voltage coming out of the rails, the closer the outputs are to there max efficency, thats the premise behind class d amps as the outputs are constantly maxed.. now upon saturation of the voltage rails the outputs are maxed thus at full efficiency giving more energy on the output side of the fundemental frequency. and the voltage rail will be literally connected to the speaker, now this is called saturation and it happens for whatever duration of the wave exceeds the rail of the amp. on a lighter note i dont think this thread was started to discuss amp design so i will no longer be discussing amp design or how they clip in this thread... i think we have already answered his question earlier.. but nice getting to see that you are versed on amp technology.. good job.. ps i work as a head installer for f.s.
09-10-2010, 09:38 PM
#73
So here's a different take, low powered unit CAN blow your speaker because you are introducing clipping and distortion at a very early stage which can be just as damaging as overpowering your speakers
Just my two cents ....
Just my two cents ....
09-11-2010, 07:50 AM
#74
After being able to play with an O-scope a few weeks ago (thanks Ken), I've found that clipping easily occurs from different processing features.
eg. Pioneers BBE setup. When it was turned off, I could turn my deck full tilt (39/40) before the deck showed a slight clip. Click it on, with no gain, and now the sub level started to clip at volume 35, +1 clipped @ 31, +2 clipped @ 24...
So needless to say, it's not worth the other problems associated... I now keep it off.
eg. Pioneers BBE setup. When it was turned off, I could turn my deck full tilt (39/40) before the deck showed a slight clip. Click it on, with no gain, and now the sub level started to clip at volume 35, +1 clipped @ 31, +2 clipped @ 24...
So needless to say, it's not worth the other problems associated... I now keep it off.
09-11-2010, 08:38 AM
#75
That's not different, it's exactly what we have been talking about, have you read any of the thread?
09-11-2010, 08:43 AM
#76
After being able to play with an O-scope a few weeks ago (thanks Ken), I've found that clipping easily occurs from different processing features.
eg. Pioneers BBE setup. When it was turned off, I could turn my deck full tilt (39/40) before the deck showed a slight clip. Click it on, with no gain, and now the sub level started to clip at volume 35, +1 clipped @ 31, +2 clipped @ 24...
So needless to say, it's not worth the other problems associated... I now keep it off.
eg. Pioneers BBE setup. When it was turned off, I could turn my deck full tilt (39/40) before the deck showed a slight clip. Click it on, with no gain, and now the sub level started to clip at volume 35, +1 clipped @ 31, +2 clipped @ 24...
So needless to say, it's not worth the other problems associated... I now keep it off.
Whatever frequency you boost will end up clipping earlier as you raise the volume.
Using bbe is fine, it helps make the sound fuller at low volumes since the ears don't hear the same at different volumes. It's when you turn it up that the benefit disappears.
09-11-2010, 01:26 PM
#78
500 Watt CAFz'r
Thread Starter
Join Date: May 2007
Posts: 849
I've turned up the volume on my 5030 with the morels and haven't heard anything but clear music so far.
Honestly, I have never heard a pair of components amped before so I have no idea HOW MUCH better they will sound our loud they will go...
Car audio is not the thing here...
Honestly, I have never heard a pair of components amped before so I have no idea HOW MUCH better they will sound our loud they will go...
Car audio is not the thing here...
