Please help on this servey
05-01-2008, 12:53 AM
#11
you CAN be a canadian DD dist. or retailer and you can carry the line if you like. Infact there are places in Canada who are able and do get DD products any time they want, when they want it.
Distributor or not, DD has got to make money, right? Besides, the would be distributor would not get any better of a price for the product than any individual shop in canada would pay WITHOUT a canadian distributor. DD doesnt care who they sell to, a 'distributor' or just a single dealership, the price is same for either if you are talking about canada. A canadian dealer doesnt want a distributor b/c they already get the same product direct. So really there is no need nor a want for a distributor.
some might say to maybe negotiate something with DD where DD does not sell to anyone in Canada with the exception of the distributor. This hasn't, doesn't and won't work. One phone call to DD and you don't even need a dealership to get something you want, and guess what, if you negotiate you can even get it for nearly the same price as a canadian dealer would. And you even get a receipt and any warranty if applicable.
No, DD is not a shady company nor are they a bunch of bad people trying to pull money out of consumer's pockets by any shady means neccessary. They are a very great company with solid R&D and product that meets the expectations. The reality of the situation is, DD sells as much product into canada annually as they do to a set of dealers in any single US state (where applicable) on a 6 months basis. You can even catch random inviduals on forums selling more DD gear than all of the canadian dealers have ever had on their inventory list combined. My team mate's brand new DD Z1a amplifier, it came from a guy like this.............who had 9 of them for sale. Not to mention they were at a price that NO canadian dealer, especially with a distributor involved, would ever be able to match.
you sound very optimistic about it and i think if you guys really want to you should try it. but the reality of the situation is, even if everything else was perfect (customer relations, etc) - there is simply not big enough, or even any market to actually bother with a DD distributor.
Distributor or not, DD has got to make money, right? Besides, the would be distributor would not get any better of a price for the product than any individual shop in canada would pay WITHOUT a canadian distributor. DD doesnt care who they sell to, a 'distributor' or just a single dealership, the price is same for either if you are talking about canada. A canadian dealer doesnt want a distributor b/c they already get the same product direct. So really there is no need nor a want for a distributor.
some might say to maybe negotiate something with DD where DD does not sell to anyone in Canada with the exception of the distributor. This hasn't, doesn't and won't work. One phone call to DD and you don't even need a dealership to get something you want, and guess what, if you negotiate you can even get it for nearly the same price as a canadian dealer would. And you even get a receipt and any warranty if applicable.
No, DD is not a shady company nor are they a bunch of bad people trying to pull money out of consumer's pockets by any shady means neccessary. They are a very great company with solid R&D and product that meets the expectations. The reality of the situation is, DD sells as much product into canada annually as they do to a set of dealers in any single US state (where applicable) on a 6 months basis. You can even catch random inviduals on forums selling more DD gear than all of the canadian dealers have ever had on their inventory list combined. My team mate's brand new DD Z1a amplifier, it came from a guy like this.............who had 9 of them for sale. Not to mention they were at a price that NO canadian dealer, especially with a distributor involved, would ever be able to match.
you sound very optimistic about it and i think if you guys really want to you should try it. but the reality of the situation is, even if everything else was perfect (customer relations, etc) - there is simply not big enough, or even any market to actually bother with a DD distributor.
Last edited by Father Yuli; 05-01-2008 at 01:00 AM.
05-01-2008, 08:29 AM
#12
I wonder why Chis at perfect tone is having so much is having so much problems with a order I sent him and a order he needs to fix a sub you sold him(asking for pictures and stuff like that) a good reason is people are using DD parts in other woofers and they don`t like that.I know when I call Jessa or a few others I have never had the problems he is having as a DD dealer.He is not the first to say this to me about dealers having parts or stock problems.Like they have Chris jumpping thru hoops that is not needed for a dealer.I can see end user but dealer come on thats a bit over board.
Oh for the last part sure there is its called love for DD products LOL
Just solid products and killer R&D I can`t wait for the 99Z line to be back up from retooling and my 99z12 comes when it is made
Oh for the last part sure there is its called love for DD products LOL
Just solid products and killer R&D I can`t wait for the 99Z line to be back up from retooling and my 99z12 comes when it is made
05-01-2008, 12:32 PM
#13
I can answer that for you. The sub you are talking about is an F motor, DD does not make F series 95/99's anymore. Hence all the problems getting the parts for it. The sub was reconed with G softparts and it broke right away (getting G parts is no problem at all), so Chris is/was trying to get F soft parts which is impossible now. This is also why they could not get you any parts for your 9912 (it also has the F motor).
you could have sent your sub directly to DD and they would have slapped G parts on it and your sub would break as soon as you play it. This is what happened to the sub i sold to Chris. G parts on F motors simply does not work.
With Chris' situation a distributor would not help at all, unless they can travel back in time and get old F soft parts.
If you ask Chris to get you any G subs or parts he would have ABSOLUTELY no problems doing so. Matter of fact, you can get them yourself. So can anyone else in Canada.
you could have sent your sub directly to DD and they would have slapped G parts on it and your sub would break as soon as you play it. This is what happened to the sub i sold to Chris. G parts on F motors simply does not work.
With Chris' situation a distributor would not help at all, unless they can travel back in time and get old F soft parts.
If you ask Chris to get you any G subs or parts he would have ABSOLUTELY no problems doing so. Matter of fact, you can get them yourself. So can anyone else in Canada.
05-01-2008, 01:31 PM
#14
hum Jessa said no problem on C parts(F as well) I just got some(well 4 of them) not long ago(few months ago) and I just don`t have time to do this one so I was passing it off to him. I was also talking with him on parts for this one and he said sure, but Chris`s problem is they don`t beleave him or something so he needs to send in a bunch of pictures to prove him self that it is what he says.needs all the codes of the basket and everything and with personal info in the pictures as well.I do know what you are saying on the G`s the top plates don`t like the new setups.
How ever I do see this if it is the cone to coil as the cones are off from older ones and from there down it stays the same problem.
We think it is a bottom out problem with old motors and new parts.
This is why Chris had a two burp wonder of a sub LOL OK its not to funny but hay what can you do?
See when I got my parts I never had to send them a single thing but payment and between Jessa and Cass I was always looked after and still am, I just don`t have the time to do so.
How ever I do see this if it is the cone to coil as the cones are off from older ones and from there down it stays the same problem.
We think it is a bottom out problem with old motors and new parts.
This is why Chris had a two burp wonder of a sub LOL OK its not to funny but hay what can you do?
See when I got my parts I never had to send them a single thing but payment and between Jessa and Cass I was always looked after and still am, I just don`t have the time to do so.
05-01-2008, 02:00 PM
#15
Now do this. try putting those "C" parts on the F motor. Let me know how well they do.
The sub that chris had was actually popped by me. This whole story was started by me about 1 year ago. I've already settled it with DD. You guys "think" it's the bottom out problem? I knew this a year ago, DD knows this as well, but ofcourse they wont openly admit it. The problem is with the G basket and suspension when applied to the F motor. DD gave me a deal I could not refuse one some composite recone kits for my 9510G's so i could not be bothered blowing the situation out of proportion.
They believe Chris, they know what the issue is, they just don't have any real F parts to send nor could they be bothered adjusting the new parts to fit the old motors.
my advice to anyone with F motors - sell them and get G subs.
there is actually a guy in Buffalo who can recone F motors with some other parts that fit if anyone really wants to fix their F subs.
PS - I have three brand new DD 9510G's dual 2 for sale with composite recone kits also available
. sorry, i had to try.
The sub that chris had was actually popped by me. This whole story was started by me about 1 year ago. I've already settled it with DD. You guys "think" it's the bottom out problem? I knew this a year ago, DD knows this as well, but ofcourse they wont openly admit it. The problem is with the G basket and suspension when applied to the F motor. DD gave me a deal I could not refuse one some composite recone kits for my 9510G's so i could not be bothered blowing the situation out of proportion.
They believe Chris, they know what the issue is, they just don't have any real F parts to send nor could they be bothered adjusting the new parts to fit the old motors.
my advice to anyone with F motors - sell them and get G subs.
there is actually a guy in Buffalo who can recone F motors with some other parts that fit if anyone really wants to fix their F subs.
PS - I have three brand new DD 9510G's dual 2 for sale with composite recone kits also available
. sorry, i had to try.
05-01-2008, 02:06 PM
#16
to get back on topic, even with everything in this scenario worked out, there is no market in Canada to actually bother with a distributor. the distributor would make NO viable income trying to sell DD products. what would happen is, they would get it from DD, add their cut to the price tag and push it on to dealers. In the end you get a product that is even more expensive than before and the market for it shrinks once again as people switch to other, more affordable brands.
05-01-2008, 03:06 PM
#17
No offense, but I am surprised DD as a business has survived this long.
When you speak to Digital Designs and they tell you that you they cannot supply product on time (period), and that the typical buy in is 15k but they picked up Joe Smith from the trailer park for 10-12k, something is not right.
When they tell you that they have no clue what Nathan was doing for the last year, that scares me.
We spoke with DD for the longest time about picking them up and doing the distribution for Canada. 1, they couldn't hang with us and the buying power we had; they outright told us NO to our order "if" we were on board.
We wanted to STOCK product, that was out of the question unless of course it was product that wasn't selling, then it was ok.
Their communication and response time window is / was horrible.
They have NO interest in growing as a business. DD will remain "small time" (their words).
There is a great disconnect on their part when it comes to "the internet". I am not sure Jessa knows its been invented yet.
That being said, it's funny what Yuli is saying, because most of it is accurate. That’s how disorganized that company is. One day they will just close up shop and be gone.
They had mentioned about selling direct to Canadians but in the same sentence mentioned the new distributor for out west.
They had NEVER heard of Quebec.
I like the DD product and we worked hard to put things together on their terms, but being un-clued can’t be fixed. Regardless of how nice they are when they are trying to push product, they are disorganized as anything.
DD as a product interested me but as much as i wanted to make something work it would have been against better judgment.
When you speak to Digital Designs and they tell you that you they cannot supply product on time (period), and that the typical buy in is 15k but they picked up Joe Smith from the trailer park for 10-12k, something is not right.
When they tell you that they have no clue what Nathan was doing for the last year, that scares me.
We spoke with DD for the longest time about picking them up and doing the distribution for Canada. 1, they couldn't hang with us and the buying power we had; they outright told us NO to our order "if" we were on board.
We wanted to STOCK product, that was out of the question unless of course it was product that wasn't selling, then it was ok.
Their communication and response time window is / was horrible.
They have NO interest in growing as a business. DD will remain "small time" (their words).
There is a great disconnect on their part when it comes to "the internet". I am not sure Jessa knows its been invented yet.
That being said, it's funny what Yuli is saying, because most of it is accurate. That’s how disorganized that company is. One day they will just close up shop and be gone.
They had mentioned about selling direct to Canadians but in the same sentence mentioned the new distributor for out west.
They had NEVER heard of Quebec.
I like the DD product and we worked hard to put things together on their terms, but being un-clued can’t be fixed. Regardless of how nice they are when they are trying to push product, they are disorganized as anything.
DD as a product interested me but as much as i wanted to make something work it would have been against better judgment.
05-01-2008, 04:14 PM
#18
Thanks for the offer on the subs but they have nothing on the subs I have coming
The 99z`s are just to nice to give up.Just a wild motor.Problem is the waiting game for the 99z line to be retooled for the changes they made.
05-01-2008, 04:23 PM
#20
Rick pretty much hit the nail on the head so I won't get in to my reasons
I think the product is great and have nothing but good things to say about Jess.... as a company they have a few areas that need improvement. I had offered to help them in any way I could and even sent them a few ideas but they just ignored everything I had to say.
They like their business model and how things are working now....
I think the product is great and have nothing but good things to say about Jess.... as a company they have a few areas that need improvement. I had offered to help them in any way I could and even sent them a few ideas but they just ignored everything I had to say.
They like their business model and how things are working now....
