The issue we were referring to is if during a regular traffic stop a cop can search your vehicle without consent. Many people think you have to allow the cop to search, and you just don't. </font>[/QUOTE]]

Dude are reading the same thread we are, we are talking about it being ILLEGAL in Ontario. [img]graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]
As I said earlier the cop needs only probable cause to search your vehicle and if he's pulled you over for a detector thats all he needs to pull apart your car to find it!!!! [/QB][/QUOTE]


Can you not read? It was stated that if you are pulled over PERIOD that you MUST allow a cop to search your car. Even if you have a detector, if the cop is ASKING he probably doesn't feel that he has probable cause.

Also, as far as I can research having a radar detector is a traffic offense anyways making a search of the vehicle not permissible on the grounds of probable cause. [/QB][/QUOTE]

Where in this post are we talking about just being pulled over. The thread is about radar detectors and from what I read the consequences of being pulled over in Ontario

 

It makes me sad to see this level of ignorance about basic civil rights.

Section 8 of the Canadian Charter of Rights and Freedoms:

8. Everyone has the right to be secure against unreasonable search or seizure.

Which means, they must have your permission, have arrested you for an offense, or have reasonale grounds to search your vehicle. </font>[/QUOTE]K as I already stated way up there.
"they can ask you permission to search"
"they can arrest you and then they can search and tear apart all they want"
"they obviously have reasonable grounds if their radar picked up yours." </font>[/QUOTE]The issue we were referring to is if during a regular traffic stop a cop can search your vehicle without consent. Many people think you have to allow the cop to search, and you just don't. </font>[/QUOTE]did u read any of what I said?? Because it refers to what you just said as well. If they stop you on a regular stop and suspect it for w/e reason they can search oh but wait see they can search your vehicle if they suspect something else and if they find the radar detector then ur still screwed. Geeze let your mind think of EVERY POSSIBLE answer and explanation in a post response before you answer.

All they need is reasonable and probable grounds (suspecting) to search your vehicle even if they pulled you over for speeding. I'm going to school for law right now I know what I'm talking about and I'm pretty sure the professors do too especially when majority of them are ex cops.

[ August 16, 2005, 01:30 PM: Message edited by: Blind d(-_-)b ]

 

^^ Thank you Terri he just does'nt get it

 

Thanks for letting me know to never hire you. I have no idea what joke of a school you are in for law where the majority of profs are ex-cops, but it sounds like a community college to me or something like that. Don't you think it's pretty naive to accept a ex-cops word on what a legal search is over actually reading the Charter and case law?

You also obviously have no idea what reasonable and probable grounds are. The cop needs to SEE or have EVIDENCE of something that gives him probable grounds to search the car. "I suspected whatever" is NOT reasonable and probable grounds. Seeing a detector praw on your window, watching you stuff something under the seat, seeing a loaded magazine, a glass pipe, etc, is reasonable and probable. Also, simply committing a TRAFFIC offense does not give a cop reasonable and probable grounds. Sure, the cop may still search your car, but whatever he finds will most likely be found inadmissable if it goes to court.

Why don't you try backing up your ideas with some references rather than insinuating that I'm too stupid to believe your drivel?

I'm making a very SIMPLE point and backing it up with proof. If a cop ASKS to search your vehicle you have the RIGHT to say no. If he still wants to search your vehicle he NEEDS reasonable and probable grounds to do so or whatever he finds will not be admissable in court.

 

they'd need a warrent for that which i doubt they'll get for a radar detector. </font>[/QUOTE]No they dont just probable cause to search.. </font>[/QUOTE]meh!!!!!!! like said very early in this thread [img]graemlins/banghead.gif[/img]

 

Yeah thats quite clear eh lol

Thanks for letting me know to never hire you. I have no idea what joke of a school you are in for law where the majority of profs are ex-cops, but it sounds like a community college to me or something like that. Don't you think it's pretty naive to accept a ex-cops word on what a legal search is over actually reading the Charter and case law?

You also obviously have no idea what reasonable and probable grounds are. The cop needs to SEE or have EVIDENCE of something that gives him probable grounds to search the car. "I suspected whatever" is NOT reasonable and probable grounds. Seeing a detector praw on your window, watching you stuff something under the seat, seeing a loaded magazine, a glass pipe, etc, is reasonable and probable. Also, simply committing a TRAFFIC offense does not give a cop reasonable and probable grounds. Sure, the cop may still search your car, but whatever he finds will most likely be found inadmissable if it goes to court.

Why don't you try backing up your ideas with some references rather than insinuating that I'm too stupid to believe your drivel?

I'm making a very SIMPLE point and backing it up with proof. If a cop ASKS to search your vehicle you have the RIGHT to say no. If he still wants to search your vehicle he NEEDS reasonable and probable grounds to do so or whatever he finds will not be admissable in court. [img]graemlins/laugh.gif[/img] ok one of Ontarios top colleges and one that has one of the highest graduate employment rate I hardly call that a community college lol For your information I have and did read the charter and the case law. Again I know what I'm talking about.

So let me put this into a way you'll understand because commonsense didnt work. As you put it "The cop needs to SEE or have EVIDENCE of something that gives him probable grounds to search the car" if the cop see's an empty or open beer bottle or something illegally modded in the car there's the grounds to search the vehicle. And I'm sorry for assuming you could figure out the back up to the facts like most people do these days because you clearly stated now that you couldn't do it.

"If a cop ASKS to search your vehicle you have the RIGHT to say no." YES YOU DO. "If he still wants to search your vehicle he NEEDS reasonable and probable grounds to do so or whatever he finds will not be admissable in court." IF you say no and he believes you're hiding something and has reasonable and probable grounds he may arrest you and then your car is now his property to search freely. Simple as that. Here I'll even give you an example to make you happy

Some kids are walking down the street with a backpack smoking something. A cop see's this and becomes suspicious that perhaps they're smoking marijuana(sp) so he pulls over (the kids see this and flick the 'smokes' and keep walking) and stops them and asks to search their backpack as he suspects them to be carrying drugs for the purpose of trafficking(sp) or generally illegally. The kid says no. (his right to say no) his partner finds their joint that they flicked a bit furthe rback from where they had just walked. The cop places the kids under arrest and sits them in th eback of the cruiser. He NOW has the right to search their bags.

my point is its simple and at other times whether legal or not cops still do it.

Oh and by the way the prof's who are ex cops are either retired cops who moved onto teaching, assigned to teaching, choose to teach instead etc. They are only proffessors(sp) in the law programs not other programs

[ August 16, 2005, 05:37 PM: Message edited by: Blind d(-_-)b ]

 

WOW what a thread. !!!

Lets get back to radar!

Lets discuss this further and dispell many myths about radar. If you have any question I would be happy to answer them.

Mitek Canada is the national distro for Whistler and I when I worked for SCL we distributed Escort, during which time I training many people.

95% of people I talk to know about 5% about Radar and claim the understand it.

So lets start with this.

Passport SR7's do not have a jammer built in, but has the capibility to add the Jammer ZR3 shifter as an option.

Ontario is illegal for Radar.

 

^^^finally, something else that is accurate!