Key thing, more expensive. Then consider that I would be at event primarily for SPL means I'd have to throw more money on top of what I'm paying for SPL stuff to do SQ, and then consider that my system sounds perfect, as if it were designed by Chuck Norris and manufactured in Heaven.

 

If you happy with your car the way it is, that cool. But I doubt you would make it through a show with out getting advice that could make it that much better. SPL is quick and easy, and less expensive to compete in. But the costs are fewer so it only makes sense for it to be more affordable. I did SPL for a long time, but it wasnt realistic to drive around with my burp machine all day with the tunes on. I think you get more our of your car if you have a system that genuinely sounds good. Not just at show, but all the time.

IASCA has gotten much more simple to compete in. You dont need a nice install, and you dont need expensive gear. Infact, you car could look worse than most of the spl car installs and still walk away with the best car.

 

I would like to know how spl is quick??? Sure our installs aren't the best looking but you try to run 20 runs of 0 ga. and then comes the deadening where you have to test panel by panel to see where the gains are. Then comes the enclosures.....you know why we don't make then nice looking????? It is because we constantly building new ones so whats the point of making it look good if its just going to get ripped out after one show. Then comes to testing. We putting in hours upon hours of testing to find gains anywhere we can. Seat position, mirror positions, box places, where our ports load, etc. are all the stuff we have to test. Last year I bet I put in more testing then any of you sq guys. Every night during the week 3 to 12 and weekends usually all day.


I will agree it is a lot easier for a person to start in spl then sq but to say spl is quick and easy???? I don't think so

 

people need to realize that SQ (which this thread is about) and SPL (which this thread is NOT about) are two completely different things...the ONLY thing they have in common are they are done in a car, it's a lot like comparing nascar to drag racing.

fighting about which is better is like winning the special olympics.....

SQ is about music reproduction in a car
SPL is about making what you have as loud as possible

one is music related, the other has about as much to do with music as a coke can.

There are VERY few people who give a crap about one or the other.

SPL guys laugh at SQ guys with their install and appreciation for music, while SQ guys just don't understand the whole "BWAAAAAAAAPPPP" thing.

why people get so butthurt about their respective choice is beyond me.

spend the time, master your craft, or just enjoy it....but comparing the two is absolutely ridiculous (IMO)


at the top of their game, I'm absolutely positive that an SQ guy and an SPL guy spend the same amount of time AND money on their particular hobby.

SPL shows cost less because there are so many more competitors, less judges..yadda yadda.

Both are awesome groups of people (except Yuli), but VERY different from each other.

 

i completely agree with you....this was the time i posted in the sq section. i'm not saying everyone should do spl.... it depends on what a person wants out of their system.

 

The louder the bass the better it sounds.

 

absolutely.

relevance to thread = 0

 

With all that being said I feel more discouraged about SQ but none the less I love the art of creating an SQ car. I think my roots of creating an SPL car when I was younger was fun and turned me onto SQ. I think I would like to compete this year as I’m working on my build as we speak. If I could get some help from fellow SQ members here and maybe get to listen to some of their cars to gauge a standard to go by it would really help me out. A few years ago Fozz was helping me out with some suggestions and it really helped. I was wondering if anyone on this board would like to meet up and just talk car audio and maybe help me out with my install it would be a bonus if I can listen to anyone’s car.

Let me know, I’m in the GTA area and would be willing to drive almost anywhere to hear an SQ car.

Thanks thus far for all the help guys

Frank

 

Sorry to respond so late but I was out of country doing a IASCA Finals in the Philippines Let me start by saying just a few things and then I will get into the nuts and bolts of my post.

After reading this thread I would like to say that I totally respect both types of competitors(Sq and IDBL) and I can honestly say that after knowing most of u for many years that I believe, you all respect each others hobby choice and the amount of time it takes to master each craft. When my friend Fozz mentioned that SPL is quicker to do...I believe he meant while in the lanes competing on any given Sunday(GREAT MOVIE)

ANd he is right on that front as it always takes me way less time to put a meter in the car then it is do judge it for install and SQ.

On that note it is this exact reason that SQ typically cost more then SPL. Its very time consuming and I require extra judges to get the job done at every event.

Now for the good stuff:

1. Even though there is a Team out there that supports its members, that team does not try to make life more difficult for the others to be competitive. I firmly believe that Team support is the way to make the comp lanes more fun and less of a headache. Let me explain: over my many eons of being involved in IASCA I have seen many forms of comp teams and all have been successful. The teams can be a manufacturer team, where a company helps it members. It can be a shop team where the retailer can assist the team as much as possible. It can even be a exclusive friends team where they all help each other regardless of product brand...this group would be there to help tune, assist in the lanes, support each other should there be any problems. TEAMS help create a atmosphere that is fun and challenging. So if u are not part of a team now, think of ways that u can. Its not meant for everyone but it can be if done right. At the end of last year Team Hybrids was not the only team anyways. There is another team that is going to be strong this year and they drive a red Grand Prix and a Yellow RX8. I am always going to try and find ways to get other manufacturers involved and help make the sport grow!!! However in order to make that happen manufacturers need to see numbers that make sense for them to come back on board. ANd the good news is that IASCA Canada had its best year last year, and it even happened during a recession, and those are the numbers that can help me down the road.

CANT WIN WITHOUT HAVING BIG MONEY???? That is not true at all!!!!! IASCA has classes that are designed to make it possible for people who compete on a limited budget to win. IN Rookie, all we judge in IASCA is Wiring and integrity for install..Meaning if u read the rule book and follow it, you can win. I have seen it done and I have personally won many shows back in the day with a very simple system. Even though I did not win at my first show I learned from every show attended.

AWARDS? First off I wish trophies were only 20.00!!!!! Trust me they are not. This is the one area that needs to be addressed and trust me it will. I am working on awards this year that will make all of u not want trophies. However Trophies will always be awarded to the rookie class. More to follow.

COST? Cost of entry is always dependent on the cost of the show. I am working on ways as mentioned above that will hopefully cut the cost of all the shows next year, however judges MUST always be paid...that will never change!!! I am also working on ways to help u all get special deals or incentives for helping the sport grow. Again please stay tuned. All this will be announced by xmas.

Magazines and Recognition? Well my friends this is one area where my hands are tied. Its definitely not like the good old days where there were four different mags all chomping at the bit to take pics of your cars and put them in there mag. With todays internet based world most mags have dropped off the face of the planet. The only one real survivor is PAS Mag and I will again be trying to work something out with them for this year. I am also working on something non mag oriented that will be run by the competitors for the competitors where u can all get the accolades your deserve.

PEOPLE? To me this is the #1 reason to compete and attend shows. I personally look forward to every Sunday as I get to talk to each and everyone of u in person and not just by text or email. Its a gathering of friends and family who have a love for our hobby and its also a great place to display your hard work. I always think of comps as Cruise nights....The people who spend a ton of money building those old classics and custom rides dont attend cruise nights to win trophies. They go to hang out with others who share there passion and to display what there hard earned money and skills have created.

In ending I want to say this...I am always open for suggestions and for ways to make it better for all. I am always there should anyone need advice or help with building a system or how to make the transition into the lanes. I am also always looking for any volunteers who want to help with IASCA.

Happy Holidays to all.

I will be posting some Team info on this thread in a separate post.

 

Frank.

I can help discuss any ideas with your system. I can even lead u in the right direction to hear some cool systems. I myself dont have one at the moment as I am building as we speak. Dont hesitate to contact me.